Planning and preparations

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#21

What A-Train and some others have said (Wolf, good answer on the freakin’ cell phone topic). I never go anywhere on a hike without a map, it’s just good sense. I definitely knew thrus who wouldn’t/didn’t carry them and yes they loved looking at mine! I even knew a woman who wanted to borrow other’s maps and copy down the profiles. You want the information that badly, you should be carrying them. (same with any other item-like TP-yes I knew so called ultralighters who didn’t carry toilet paper, but were happy to borrow others-that’s not how it works).

No, it’s not a true Wilderness experience, there are lots of roads and towns (and personally if you’re not enjoying the towns in the South then you didn’t get the same thing out of this hike, many of those folks have fought to protect that land we got to walk on on the ridges instead of the roads!!), but it’s still a backcountry experience. It’s not the freeway one might think, it’s quite desolate in some areas and for emergency reasons alone a map is essential. The Cream Team (who only carried the Data Book) found themselves caught out above treeline in the Northern Prezzies, after I warned them leaving Washington that afternoon, but they thought they’d just make do. I knew I had bail out options with the RMC huts (Lakes and Madison Huts had just closed for the season) and my eventual home for that night-Valley Way Tentsite- not just because I knew the area but because of the maps. They however, spent a miserable (and illegal) night somewhere after Jefferson. Trail Yeti and Moonshine used the map to bail out of Gentian Pond when she had the allergic rx I referred to in the bee sting thread, he was a convert to maps after that. Emergencies are just that, you can’t plan on them, they happen at unlikely times.

So, having ranted as well about that, how much else do you have to plan? In reality, not really that much. I hiked with guys that had no scheduled mail drops, it worked just fine. They got things from home by calling from the town before. I like the planning part and did it fairly detailed, but found before my LT hike this last Sept, I couldn’t get up the same excitement (but because of taking my dog I relied on maildrops heavily so I could drop his food to us). There were things I wanted in maildrops on the AT so I had them for various items (the aforementioned maps) and didn’t have to shop around in towns for toiletries. But it’s just as easy on the fly too. Someone told me long before I hiked that Flexibility was the key to doing this hike, I tried to honor that. If nothing else, the Trail teaches you to slow down and not obsess so much over all the dumb details in life.

btw, I carried Wingfoot (in big sections, like 1/3s) and the maps. No ATC guidebooks, no Companion or Data Book. My understanding is Wingfoot now incorporates Data Book like information in the back, which is a great marrying of the two systems.

Bluebearee

#22

I’m glad there have been some testimonies on here regarding the need for maps. Seriously can’t stress this one enough. Maps really only weigh a couple ounches each. You’d be suprised the number of people who complained about map weight and then carried the whole companion or wingfoot. Break that book up. Send ahead the uneeded pages, and tear out the ones you used already. They start nice fires :slight_smile:
Regarding maildrops, I know many of you 04ers are probably a little confused worried about how many drops, where to send, what to put in etc. I definately remember all the anxiety I had around this issue. Here is some advice that could help you, based on what I and other expeienced this year:
Be flexible. You don’t neccessarily need to have 30 boxes packed and ready to go before you start. I hiked with a guy who used the phones in town to call home and tell his mom where he’d be in 4, 5 or 7 days. That way he knew where he was gonna be, because he could calculate his speed after awile and was aware of the places he wanted/everyone planned on staying. For example before hitting the trail one might not know about Kincorra, the Doyle or Rustys. But once your on the Trail these names will come up time and time again. This option also calls for a responsible wonderful person willing to work and send at home. The one drawback to this was that there is a bit of pressure if boxes do not come in on time. Mine were always sent 2 weeks before so I knew they’d be there.
Send maildrops if possible to outfitters, hostels and other places that are not P.O.'S. Nothing wrong with the post office, but they have strict hourse compared to a hostel or outfitter that virtually never closes. Supposing you roll into Kent or Salsbury Connecticut on a saturday afternoon. Not being able to retrieve your drop you’d have to spend 2 very expensive nights in town. This could be alleviated by sending the drop to the outfitters in Kent or the Church there (just an example).
Once you recieve your companion or wingfoot, start locating these places.
Another good idea is to pick places located close to the Trail. Many PO’s are right on the Trail. It’s always better to avoid needing hitches which will take up considerable amounts of time. Also reading journals and asking questions online will help you locate the good and friendly places to resupply/drop. Elk Park NC may seem like a more logical drop than say Erwin, but the reality is that this is a very unfriendly town/area to thru-hikers and your likely to either not recieve a ride or get flipped off. Erwin is a longer ways off the AT, but there lives one of the best people you will ever meet on the AT.
My point is to just be aware of these things. The more planning the better. Become as familiar with the Trail and its towns as possible BEFORE hitting the Trail. A great guy I hiked with did virtually no research and picked towns about 200 miles apart to send drops to. He has drops such as Unionville NY and Clarendon VT, for example, places that either required a hard hitch or a trip to a place other hikers were not planning on going, which can be tough if you get in sync with a group of hikers. It can be mentally tough to have to lose a half day or fall a shelter behind friends because of your drop.
If you are going to have drops off the Trail, the popular towns such as Waynsboro, Monson, N Woodstock, Manchester, Pearisburg etc. are good ones since most hikers are plannig to go there anyway whtether they need a drop box or grocery resupply.
Sorry if this is a lot of random info. Feel free to ask any questions. I’d definately suggest taking a look at both Baltimore Jack and Weathercarrot’s resupply advice on whiteblaze.net This will certainly give you some pointers to where to buy groceries and where to drop etc. Once you get your 04 guidebook, definately start planning and brainstorming. Good luck to all on a wonderful journey

A-Train

#23

I’ll say it again. U.S topo maps are c**p. You might as well copy your next section onto a pc of paper (marking for yourself all potential “get out” places). The A.T is so well blazed and regularly trodden one would be very unlucky to have trouble and not see anyone for more than a day (especially during the “thru hiking season”).

I may be wrong, or even worse, very unlucky and wished I’d taken the advice above if i get into trouble. Common sense is a great asset whilst hiking anywhere in the world.

Ross

P.S Please don’t take it personaly that I think U.S maps are terrible. They just are. If you’ve ever used British Ordnance Survey maps, you’ll know what i mean. (Check out Bill Bryson’s “Notes from a small Island”. As an American, he explains all).

Ross - England

#24

Well Ross, If I come across your injured limey ass I’ll just keep on goin. It ain’t about topo lines, it’s the roads and trails the maps show to get us dumb Americans out of trouble.

Wolf

#25

The Data Book is published by ATC. It lists the mile point of every road crossing, trail shelter, established campsite, summits, etc.

The ALDHA Companion is also published by ATC. It provides details needed by thru-hikers, most importantly infomation about resupply. It tells you what to expect in towns and other places for resupply. No commentary. It tries to be non-judgemental in it’s assessment of the various places. It is also available in pdf format on the ALDHA webpage.

Wingfoot refers to the Thru-hiker’s Handbook, edited by Dan Bruce. It is a combination of the data book, and the ALDHA companion. Available only from him. Go to trailplace.com to see sample pages. It does have commentary.

Wingfoot’s book and the Companion are very similiar. It’s personal preference as to which one is better. Pick one or the other. No need to get both.

Peaks

#26

Well, since my original post didn’t go through, Wolf beat me to my opening line. In another example of how the maps helped, I called my husband at my lowest point on this journey and he agreed to meet me the next day with my old boots (new ones too tight). Where? By looking at the maps in that section of NY I was able to direct him by phone from the Taconic Pkwy to an obscure dirt road xing of the trail.

So to reiterate, it’s not about reading the maps for topo lines and features as with backcountry map and compass travel, it’s more the general picture of where you are in relation to the rest of the World. Which does still exist and may need to be accessed by you or someone wanting to meet you. I realize home support won’t be along the Trail for you like it is for us that live on the East Coast of the US, but you may find or meet someone that wants to meet you at a road crossing.

btw, (even friendly) American bashing and lauding Bryson will not win you friends on or off the trail in this country.

Bottom line, IMHO, it’s irresponsible to go hiking without a map.

Bluebearee

#27

Like i said, it was’nt supposed to be personal. I love America. That’s why i keep going back. Sorry to offend anyone, especially Bluebearee.

Ross

P.S If the A.T turns out alright, I’ll be back again to try my luck on the PCT, or something similar. Your country is one of the most beautiful places i’ve ever been in the world. And i mean that. :smiley:

Ross

#28

Bluebearee and others who say maps are absolute essential are absolutely correct in saying so.

Look up the “ten essential”-----these are absolutely must things you must have when hiking/backpacking-----and a map is definitely on the list.

Do not over prepare----but be prepared----and just do it.

See you out there. :cheers

Maintain

#29

Are you joking? These maps are #1 in the world. You just don’t know either how to orientate yourself, or how to use a compass.

And yeah, if I spot your limey ass lost in the 100 miles, good luck to ya.

Kineo Kid

#30

No, of course, you won’t be taking some zillion-odd 7.5 minute maps of the whole trail (or even state by state). Nobody would be crazy enough to do that . . .

But in all honesty, these maps are the best detailed maps anywhere. MUCH better than ATC trail maps, even those published by the MATC, which are based on 15 minute USGS topo data. The MATC maps (and NH/VT maps) are crammed down to a smaller size, and so lose the very good detail of the original 15 minute maps.

If you have problems with these maps, then you don’t know how to use a map, which means a compass will also be forever beyond your English comprehension.

I don’t mean to get into trans-atlantic name calling, but you are greatly misguided if you can’t understand a USGS topo map, and it doesn’t matter which country you’re from.

Kineo Kid

#31

The 7.5 min maps ARE crap when compared to the British Ordnance maps.

Nobody, repeat nobody, said that they didn’t understnad how to use a map. You made an incorrect ego-centric supposition based in your uneducated opinion and lack of exposure to the OS maps.

Dog Tag

#32

Por favor! No es necessario a pelear. Tranquilo mis amigos. Paz, paz, paz!

Speedy Gonzalez

#33

Sorry if i opened up a can of worms here. Sorry, sorry, sorry. And one for luck…sorry. I CAN understand the U.S topo maps, infact, after what i said above i’ll probably have one on me anyway.

Oh yeah, and if my limey ass in the 100 mile wilderness, i hope the rest of me is there to. Imagine that, just an ass on the trail. How bizzare…Sorry, I’ve been reading to much Spike Milligan. It get’s to you after a while.

Ross - An American loving Englishman

Ross

#34

i need maps like i need a social security card, like i need the government, like i need lone wolf or his butt buddy B. Jack.

i respect their( LW & BJ) hiking ability, but hike your own hike. both of these guys put down hikers who don’t carry maps and they always try to use an example that is almost a great example of their uselessness.

most of the trail maps only show a narrow band of forest, it is cropped for the elevation chart and other info. A town is only shown if it exist very near or on the trail.


my philosophy

you should know your limits and your abilities. i’m not aginst maps, just people who believe their way is the only way! As i hiked this year my knowledge grew in great leaps and bounds, and i tried to modify as time passed. for example: i would look deeply into a road map before setting off, this gave me a great appreciation of all the local towns that were just beyond view. many sections of the AT are paralleled by major thru-ways. look at your goals and be ready for the best and the worst!!!


… back to the soap opera.

as far a LW or BJ is concerned; your not doing it right, if your not doing it THEIR way!

magic
GAME>03
TC>04

magic game03

#35

Hey Wolf and Kineo Kid! Where do you get the term “Limey”? Is it derogatory, like “red-neck” or what? Is it something like an orangey, lemoney, grapefruitey, kumquatey, tangeriney? Just wondering!..A brother “red-neck”!

Red

#36

Apparently when the Brits had a long boat ride from the queens turf to here or wherever, they had to eat limes, lemons, citrus to prevent scurvy which is a disease caused by lack of vitamin C. Their gums would bleed and they’d get livid spots on the skin. The Scots, like me, are a healthier breed. Single malt sufficed.

Wolf

#37

magic gameboy03. You got issues kid. I love you just the same. HYOH!:lol

Wolf

#38

By gosh Wolf, you are right! I just did a Yahoo search on the word. By the way it was a Scottsman naval surgeon, Sir James Lind who came up with the scurvy-prevention-by-limes idea. Chalk one up for your kinfolks!

Red

#39

Wolf is entirely correct, you’ll be able to tell us limeys on the trail - and there will be a lot - by the wheelbarrow full of citrus fruits we’ll be toting along. If anyone gets the munchies, just sing out.

You yanks should try it. Seriously, I’m planning on getting from Springer to Maine living on what’s in the barrow. No re-suppply, no bounce box. I won’t need maps, that thing’s equipped with GPS. You get attacked by a bear? No problem, just sling an orange at the bugger, works every time.

Hey Ross, stop apologising mate, you’re starting to sound like Hugh Grant. Just get yerself down to B&Q for the barrow. And Wolf, Scottish? Will you be one of those peculiar skirt-wearing hikers I’ve been reading all about just lately or do you prefer to leave it at the single malt?

:wink:

Rick the Limey

#40

just dont call me a limey or a cockney geezer and we’ll get along fine… and dont ask to share my lagavulin single malt either! :stuck_out_tongue: thats for me and my porridge alone…

rick, remember to pack some scones mate!

serious question, you be taking any tea? im gonna take some organic english breakfast or some organic earl grey… (since they go well with or without milk…) i was gonna pack some chai (mmm loven that cinnamon) or some organic jasmine green…

i think ill pack either 1 red tea or 1 green tea…
somehow i dont think i’ll be able to resupply with some nice red tea along the way… :frowning: (or maybe i will! who knows…)

BC, tea junkie and single malt drinker…

Bloody Cactus