Different dog tread

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#1

I have a 6 month old puppy that I want to hike with next summer. I am working with her now on obedience, etc. My questions are for hikers that hike with dogs.

Do you hike with your dogs on a leash?
If you do not hike with them on a leash, are your dogs trained to stay with you or do they wonder?
Do you use a “dog tent” (saw one at REI)?
How much weight do you put in the dog packs? (My dog is a golden/lab mix. Will probably weigh 55-60#s full grown)?
Do you feed them the same amount on the trail as you do at home?

I do not want my pet to be a nuisance to other people, so with that in mind, please feel free to make any other recommendations that are needed to make an enjoyable trip.

Thank you!

Eric G.

#2

I typically start my dogs on a leash when we first get to a trailhead. But once we are a couple miles into the hike, the leashes come off. I know… this is going to send the zealots into a frenzy. My dogs are under voice control (97% and 91% response rate for my two dogs) and never wander off. They have been trained to stay directly behind me at all times, step off the trail to allow hikers approaching us to pass, they don’t bark, growl or intimadate other animals or people. My dogs receive a lot of positive feedback when we are on the trail due to their training and good “trail manners”.

I let my dogs sleep in my tent unless I’m using my hammock, then they sleep in their own dog tent.

You have to start with no weight in the dog pack and gradually work up their endurance. Once they are conditioned and used to the pack, they can carry up to 30% of their body weight. My one dog eats A LOT more food on the trail while the other usually eats less. I always pack an extra 30-35% of their daily food just as a precaution. I’d rather have leftover dog food than to run out in the middle of a hike.

The tent at REI (Dog Dome) is a nice tent but you can pick up a kids’ camping kit at Dick’s Sporting Goods for $17 which includes a very roomy tent (plenty of room for my Shephard/Lab mix and Beagle/Ridgeback mix) and a nice sleeping bag for them.

I own just about every dog pack on the market and I’d recommend the Mountainsmith Dog Pack. It’s far superior to any of the others I’ve tried.

Drop me an email if you have any additional questions or need anything else in regards to training and hiking with your dog.

B~

Phreak

#3

Some dogs like backpacking, some don’t. Retrievers usually do, especially if there is occaisional swimming at pack off break time. Pack on swimming is a nono. We thru-hiked the AT nobo last year with our 7 year old lab Bella. As my wife Woodrose says, Bella could teach dogs how to backpack. Bella has hiked every AT mile with exception of the GSMNP and Baxter, plus a few hundred other section hiking miles. We know of only one other dog who thru-hiked last year, a ten year old Springer named Woody , with his daddy Forever North. Long distance hiking solo with a dog would be very difficult in our opinions ; hard on the dog, and unless the owner hardly ever goes to town, etc. Many people, businesses, motels, stores, don’t like or accomodate dogs; rest and resupply is way easier and more fair to everyone if two people can share canine responsibility. Of course the leash comes off in the woods, but you must train your dog not to bark ,growl, or threaten others.(If they do, they must be trained to come to you and get back on the leash.) Many people are terrified of dogs for their own good reasons. The longer the hike, the more feral the dog becomes, and hungrier, too.Of course a dog, hiking 10 hours a day instead of sleeping on the porch, needs way more food. Whatever social and domestic norms a dog enjoys at home are denied on the Trail; the dog is, in effect, homeless. Where you stop and pitch your tent is your dog’s home for that moment; of course they will remind other dogs and folks of this fact. Bella carried 8 lbs of food typically in her Caribou backpack. She weighs about 60 lbs. She fell three times on South Kinsman in the Whites. First pack off descent was Dragonstooth in Va. The Mahoosuc Notch, all packoff. She had worn thru the pack and two sets of patches by the time we got to Monson, where I glued on the third set. Maine was so vertical that her pack wore her elbows bare from steep descents (like Chairback)Conditions of dogs’ feet are critical to the hike. Bella sleeps every night in my arms under my quilt in our tent. Coons and bears don’t visit. Bella does not bark or chase any wildlife except hated squirrels.(100 ft, 20 seconds) (Chipmunks are OK) We retired her Caribou pack and got her a new Granite Gear pack and are pleased with it. We returned to the AT this spring for Trail Days, spent four nights in our tent on the Trail, and Bella was in hiker dog heaven, but was reluctant to share the Trail with what she must consider lesser dogs. She loved Bonzo’s RIO, had words with Yeti’s Savannah at Hardcore. We are going to attempt the PCT nobo in 07. I will be 60, Bella will be 9(x7=63); she can’t go in the desert or in California parks, and we can’t imagine hiking without her. Train your dog to hike and share the most special bond you will ever know. Peace is the only way. Muleskinner.

Muleskinner

#4

Hey Y’all

The best summary of my reasons for dis-liking dogs on the trail: “Where you stop and pitch your tent is your dogs home for that moment. Of course they will remind other dogs and folks of this fact.” Other than the wet dog sharing the shelter, retrievers enjoying the water source, sending wildlife (that actually belongs on the trail) scurrying…

But I run out of breath…

Gee, thanx guys, for insisting that I share my bunk space, water source and trail experience with your precious dog.

Papaw John

JohnMc

#5

I’d love to know where you are having all these horrendous dog experiences? I’ve only seen a dog inside a shelter once, ONCE, and the guy had the shelter to himself for the night, so I didn’t see the big deal. As far as sharing your water source? You share it with every critter in the woods, yet you have an issue with a dog getting a drink? If you are this easily upset by a dog being in it’s natural environment, then stay home and quit whining. Dogs are animals… they have more of a right to be in the woods than you do. And if you are so worried about upsetting wildlife, then why are you in the woods at all? Isn’t your presence upsetting to the natural order of the woods? Oh, please bless me with your infinite trail wisdom, for I have obviosly lost my way.

But I run out of breath…

Phreak

#6

I don’t have much to add. Muleskinner and Phreak had some great trail advice. Our dog did two thru-hikes, AT '03 and PCT '02. She loved it (even the desert sectionon the PCT, Muleskinner!:)). The key is having the dog under voice control. I’m not big on having a leashed dog; I think it can be dangerous to the person holding the leash. However, I think a good thing to have is the RuffWear Quickdraw collar. It has a short leash attached so that in the event you come across someone who doesn’t like dogs, all you have to do is reach down and grab the leash in just a couple of seconds.
A tent for your dog isn’t really necessary. Coy loved to just sleep outside when the weather was warm; otherwise, she was in our tent.
Avoid staying in shelters. We preferred that anyway so it was no skin off our backs. There are much nicer places to camp than shelters, IMO.
Coy weighed about 50 lbs. on the trail and ate a pound of food a day (we gave her as much as she wanted, but it always came out to her eating about a pound a day). She probably eats half that off-trail.
Coy used the RuffWear Palisades pack for the PCT; we liked it okay. We chose to carry all of her food the following year on the AT, but that was only an option because there were two of us. I was interested in that Mountainsmith pack so it’s good to see a good review of it by Phreak. Just shop around for one after your dog is full grown and go with one that fits his body type well and is very durable.
Coy was allowed to drink out of water sources, just downstream. I don’t see the problem with this.
Oh yeah, we never hung our food. There was no bear problem with a dog around.
We had no problems on the AT or PCT with catching rides or finding places to stay. The PCT is definitely more challenging for the dog, so the AT seemed like a breeze for Coy. When you choose to bring a dog out on the trail, you have to remember that your hike becomes the dog’s hike. You only do what your dog can do. If your dog needs a day off, you take it. He is in your care so be good to him and he will LOVE his trail experience. It’s one of the best things you can do for a dog nowadays with all of the dog laws we have in this country. It’s a little bit of freedom and outdoor living that will make your dog very happy.
Happy hiking!!
Llama

Llama

#7

my dog did 700 miles or so with me in '03…i bought a mountainsmith dog pack for him. i have to disagree with you, phreak, that was the worst piece of gear i’ve ever purchased.:mad even with very little weight in it (1 day of dog food), it would slip forward and rub the back of his front legs raw. i finally had to cut that strap off. i came across two others who were thru’ing w/ their dogs and they had the same problems with that pack. one of them even had to purchase a new pack, which sucks b/c the mountainsmith is pretty much the most expensive when i comes to dog packs. (which is why i was duped into thinking it was the best).

the goat

#8

Take a look at the book Blind Courage by Bill Erwin, he was the first blind person to hike the AT and he did it with the help of his dog. I mention this because you asked about a leash. Seeing Eye dogs are very well trained but an animal is an animal after all and Bill ran into a situation where his dog took off after a deer. If it can happen to a well trained dog like that then it can happen to yours. Just get yourself a long retractable leash and call it good.

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