Fall hike-2011 - Arizona Trail

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#1

I did the PCT 2010 and bailed out of the CDT this year at Ghost Ranch NM. There were a few reasons. Anyway, I am looking for something to whet my appetite for 2011 and the AzT seems the right length and location, or I am also looking at the Grand Enchanment trail. Being residing over in NZ and not knowing the names/areas, it is hard to work out if trails are closed due to fires etc.

My question: Can I do a thru hike going south starting mid Sept, or are there too many closures? Am I better off doing the GET east-west?

Can anyone help?

Thanks

hurricane

#2

Mid September is probably a good time to start a fall hike–probably not any earlier than that and later Sept. might be a little better. I have not hiked it fall, so I’m pretty much guessing.

As far as I know the trail is open now and fire season is over, so conditions should be static for the summer. Check details on the AZT website. The website also has a link to a good water source data sheet.

I have not hiked the GET yet, but it looks like a fun route for the more adventurous. Contact Blisterfree for seasonal info. Westbound would be the way to go in fall, I think.

Good luck.

Garlic

#3

Ken and I were looking at the AZT today, planning for our southbound hike starting mid September. The website is very user friendly. Each passage has current information plus the phone number of the land agency to call for the most recent information. The road walk south of Jacob Lake should be open late August. Two re-routes are still in effect, and the last unbuilt section of trail is flagged.

AZT is gearing up for a 9/15-10/31 2011 celebration in honor of AZ statehood centennial and their new National Scenic Trail status. Hiking should be spectacular.

Browse www.aztrail.org and you can download a guide, maps and gps track if you join. The current trail status and water guide are on-line too.

We hiked the GET eastbound Phoenix to Morenci (broke ribs in Morenci motel and had to stop). The GET has less trail and is fun in a more adventuresome and harder hiking way.

Hope to see you on the trail!

GottaWalk

#4

The recent drought, as withering as it was especially across New Mexico, will probably not have abated completely by the end of the summer monsoon season. So far the monsoon has been average (AZ) to a little below average (NM). Some lands are still in full closure fire restrictions, although more public lands seem to be reopening on a regular basis as each area sees enough rain to diminish fire danger.

Probably the AZT and GET will be “fully open” by the start of fall hiking season, although some trails and sections of forest that burned in the many fires this spring may remain closed. Pure speculation at this point, but this could realistically include the AZT in the Huachucas, portions of the AZT in the Canelo Hills (several fires that started near the Mexican border may have burned nearby?) and Santa Ritas (Greaterville Fire - anyone know about coverage / severity?).

Along the GET, the Jack Fire Complex and Miller Fire near the West Fork Gila River may (or may not) require a detour (go your own way via other trails) between the Mogollon Crest Trail and East Fork Gila River. Another fire near Dusty NM (Monticello Fire) would have affected sections of GET routed on roads through a grassland and riparian environment, if it affected the route at all, so probably this fire wouldn’t pose lingering access concerns. Flooding and flood damage could be a real concern along major drainages flowing out of the massive Wallow Fire burn area, including Eagle Creek and the Blue River along the GET (the GET wasn’t involved in the Wallow Fire itself). And these dangers will probably continue to exist for years to come.

New fire starts remain an ongoing concern due to lightning from storms over areas still reeling from drought. This will probably settle down in the coming weeks, but I would keep an eye to the Inciweb.org website in the meantime to get a sense of the current picture as hiking season approaches. I’d also consider starting a fall hike as early as possible in order to take maximum advantage of the rainy season while the moisture is still “on the ground.” A fall hike typically trends toward increasingly dry conditions as you make progress toward the finish line, so starting early - despite the inconvenience of some lingering storms, humidity, and mucky walking - can make life easier later on, especially in a year when it seems unlikely the monsoon will fully alleviate the severe to extreme drought conditions accumulating over so many months (and years) of sub-par moisture.

Miles of roadwalking on the AZT vs GET. That’s an interesting question. I’d imagine the AZT, especially with recent trail construction in a number of places, has the edge. But even on the many official roadwalks of the AZT that are built into the route’s layout, you’d have carsonite posts and other blazes that might lend a feeling of continuity and credence to the walk that the GET forces the hiker to leave behind. The AZT (which the GET shares for 70 miles or so) tends to be more pedestrian than the GET overall, by whatever definition of the word. Think of the difference between hiking a long-distance trail that was designed and built specifically for long-distance hikers (and horses and bikes…), and a route that evolved from consultations with trail maps, trial and error in the field, and a desire to see places less often visited on foot. Such are the differing philosophies between the AZT (or any official l-d trail) and something like the GET.

blisterfree

#5

So… the Greaterville Fire appears to have burned along just a couple of miles of Arizona Trail between Ophir Gulch and California Gulch. This is between Kentucky Camp and Box Canyon Road. This is mostly juniper grassland, with some roadwalking involved, and the northern end had already burned over in another fire a few years ago. Probably not a big deal, but best to check current status by calling the Rosemont Mine official fan club, er, I mean the Coronado National Forest Nogales Ranger District.

Here’s a perimeter map of the Greaterville Fire:

blisterfree

#6

Before my prior post I had checked Passage info at http://www.aztrail.org/passages/passages.php and http://www.fs.fed.us/r3/coronado/
The AZT is open and can be thru hiked. South of Jacob Lake the trail is scheduled to be reopened and off the road in August.

Blue Ridge has a reroute around a burn. There is a reroute through Mormon Lake due to forest thinning. These two reroutes may change by September. Neither closes a hiker off the trail.

IMO that says the AZT is completely open. Also, IMO a dirt road or two track with no traffic is an acceptable substitue to burned single track trail and is preferable to slithering under bushes finding trail by braille!

BTW, BLM has fire restrictions in some areas. An alcohol stove is not permitted unless in a fire pit. Smoking is restricted. A canister fuel stove permitted.

GottaWalk

#7

I was on the AZT between Pine and Flagstaff in June and there were no closures in these areas. The forest thinning project was posted with hazard warnings at the entry and exit points along the trail but didn’t indicate the trail was closed. This was about a quarter mile in length, just one section. I’d imagine it’s a moving target, though.

I wouldn’t necessarily take the website at face value re: latest passage info. It’s obviously a big task keeping everything up to date in such a dynamic year, and the ATA may not have the staff for it. That said, here’s the latest wording on Passage 1:

  • Due to the extreme danger of wildfires, AZT users should check with the Coronado National Memorial and the Sierra Vista Ranger District for updates prior to arriving at the trail. In addition to closure of the Coronado National Forest, on June 12th a wildfire in the Coronado National Memorial has resulted in closure of the Memorial and the Arizona Trail there. Expect no change to these closures until risk of wildfires is diminished with the monsoon rains.

Also from the USFS website (a map would be more helpful):

Portions of the Sierra Vista Ranger District are open. Due to damage from wildfire and
potential flooding, the district is closed at the Coronado National Forest Boundary
starting at Ash Canyon area and north to Carr Canyon area. All roads and trails in the
area are closed. Forest road (FR) 59 (Ash Canyon), FR 796 (Stump Canyon), FR 367
(Hunter Canyon), FR 56 (Miller Canyon), FR 386 (Carr Canyon) are closed. This
closure will remain in effect until August 20, 2011, or until rescinded, whichever is
earlier. For more information please call the district office at (520) 378-0311.

blisterfree

#8

Hi Garlic, Gottawalk and Blisterfree. Thanks a lot for your replies, they answer a lot of my questions

Regards

hurricane