Fuel consumption

imported
#1

Can anyone advise whether alcohol or gas is more efficient as far as amount of fuel consumed to boil a certain amount of water? It seems that it takes more ounces of alcohol (which means more fuel weight to carry) and of course more time to boil 16oz. of water than ounces consumed using a gas stove. Of course even though you might carry less fuel weight w/gas stove the stove itself weighs more than an alcohol stove. But wouldn’t the ongoing long term added weight of alcohol and the longer time required to use it make a gas stove more weight/cook time efficient?

TA

#2

Have a look at http://www.thru-hiker.com/articles.asp?subcat=2 for a couple articles comparing cooking system weight over time between various choices.

In those examples, the white gas stove specified weighs enough to offset the weight savings due to fuel. That might vary depending on stove model chosen.

A factor to also consider is fuel availability; both gas and alcohol are available on the AT every few days, so you normally wouldn’t need to carry more than a week’s worth of fuel at any given time. (Obviously this will vary depending on hiking style and probably some other stuff as well)

Another thing to remember is that with alcohol an fluid ounce doesn’t weigh an ounce. If I remember correctly, alcohol weighs about 80% of water, and thus a fluid ounce weighs approximately 0.8 ounces. A 20oz soda bottle filled with alcohol should weigh 16oz plus the bottle weight.

On my workbench I can reliably achieve a rolling boil of a pint of water with 13gm of alcohol fuel, which is roughly half an ounce weight-wise. Add some fudge factor and figure in trail use I can get 27 pints boiled per pound of fuel. At three pints boiled per day that’s still 9 days of cooking. Assuming white gas is twice as efficient, you’d use half a pound of fuel in that time, so your fuel weight savings with gas is half a pound over 9 days. To achieve a net weight savings, a white gas stove must weigh less than half a pound more than the alchol stove, making sure to add in pot supports, windsceens, etc.

On the other hand, if you were going out for a month between refueling stops and boiling three pints a day, the fuel weight savings add up and would eventually make white gas the more efficient.

This is all assuming fairly moderate temperatures; in cold weather you’ll of course use more fuel. With temps in the mid/low teens and below then you’d probably want to choose white gas even if it has a weight disadvantage due to white gas working a bit better in the extreme cold.

deeddawg

#3

I have some real-time data for you on this matter. I have a home-made soda can stove and carry a 20 oz. plastic soda bottle for the alcohol. My wife and I took a 2 week section hike last fall on the AT (Damascus to Pearisburg). I cooked for the two of us using this stove. I figured I used about 14 oz. of fuel for the entire hike (yes, that is probably more fuel than a single person would use to boil water but remember I was cooking for two). I filled the bottle before leaving and never re-filled it during the entire time out. That left me with approx. 6 oz. of fuel at the end. I am very satisfied with this arrangement, the stove performs very well, is very light and the fuel doesn’t smell bad. Plus, it doesn’t use much fuel to begin with. As to refilling, de-natured alcohol is available in trail towns and hostels (most places anyway). A smaller soda bottle could even be used for a single hiker. I myself have thought about switching to a smaller 10 oz. bottle.

Rob

#4

Does everyone use a soda bottle for alcohol? I use a thicker heavier sports drink bottle because I’m worried about the bottle breaking and fuel leaking all over my stuff. Has anyone had problems with the bottle breaking or leaking? Does alcohol disolve/corrode gear like white gas does? I had white gas leak on some polypro and it destroyed it.

Big B

#5

yea i use a 1 liter wide mouth Mtn dew bottle because i like the size of the cap for measuring the fuel… and no- i dont fill it, and have never had a problem of a leak… i just stuff it down inside my pack and forget about it.
these space plastics are very tough. if in doubt, just replace it along the way… they are free when u buy a soda :lol

:boy

FreightTrain

#6

I too am leary about soda bottles. But that’s what many people use. Myself, I bought a poly bottle from the fellow tht makes turbo light or brass light stove at the Gathering last fall.

Peaks

#7

I used a normal soda bottle and had no problems with it degrading. Speaking of fuel bottles, does anyone know why it’s a bad idea to carry alcohol in one of those aluminum MSR fuel bottles? I know MSR doesn’t recommend doing it, but am not sure if it’s because the alcohol causes problems with the cap, bottle, O-ring, or marketing department. Later!

Skittles