Good Trail Nutrition Gives Better Chance @ Finishing?

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#1

After reading countless trail journals, I have come to a little bit of a hypothesis. It seems that a general trend (not for everyone, but a lot) is that ones body begins to sort of tire and perform poorly the farther one gets in the hike. Now I know what you are saying, “Duh, thats pretty obvious…2600 miles will do that to you,” but I’m wondering if whether the feeling of constant “tiredness” and legs that won’t feel better are a result of months of not eating balanced diets.

This realization has sort of given me the mindset that maintaining a balanced diet filled with high nutritional value, is just as important- if not more, than having quality gear. It seems to me that in the effort of maintaining an easy, cost effective meal plan, people are willing to eat mashed potatoes, stuffing, and mac and cheese nearly every day (exept town days when they carb load on fatty, yet oftentimes not nutritious, cheeseburgers and the like). If one was to eat these foods nearly everyday for 3 months, it is no wonder that lethargy, and a body not working as well as it should, would be the result.

Now let me step back here and say that I am by no means spouting this off as fact. It was just a topic I thought warranted discussion.

Novakaine

#2

Although I can not even claim that I eat all that healthy now, I have done so in the past. I think basic science would support what you’re saying. Even when not hiking, we shouldn’t eat all of the processed crap that we do, but I think it’s especially apparent when tasking your body day in and day out. When I was in Marine bootcamp for 3 months, I had the choice to eat cookies and cakes or fruit and veggies. I purposively ate healthier stuff, knowing that my body really needed me to give it a break…afterall, it carried me through 3 months of pretty physically demanding situations.

I just wonder if the only way to “eat healthier” on the trail is by dehydraing all of your meals or buying those expensive things at the hiking stores. Is it possible to eat healthy AND buy as you go?

Michele

#3

An AT thru hike is a good experiment. We hiked with a hiker in VA that was the owner of a large chain of organic food stores. He slack packed the trail and each evening his driver picked him up at the trail end and took him to his room where his traveling masseuse gave him a massage. Then the cook had prepared his vegan meal.

Did I fail to say, he had the same problems we did, tired legs and sore feet. He was also very skinny. I don’t know what he looked like in GA but by the middle of VA he looked pretty puny.

I felt like I could run a marathon when I climbed Big K (that is, if my feet were not so sore!)

To me, diet makes a difference, but it is more of getting enough (quantity) protein, fat and carbs to go the distance than the quality.

We ate what we dehydrated and what we could buy in town and did just fine. We would pig out in town at an AYCE place every chance we could get and I still lost 42 lbs. I figured I was eating, on average between 4,000 and 6,000 calories each day.

For what it’s worth, maybe someone else had a different experience.

PS. Michele, I only saw one hiker using the hiking store bought meals on a regular basis and that was in GA. I don’t know if he finished using that strategy or not. We did pick up one of the meals in a hiker box in Maine (a SOBO must have left it). I didn’t like it (maybe the reason it was in the box?) and it was a meal for two and it was not enough for me!!

Happy Trails!

Papa Smurf

#4

This just so happens to be one on my favorite trail topics. So let me say my piece, my testimonial. To answer your question, Yes. I believe many hikers try to focus on consuming a large quantity of calories rather than quality calories. Let’s face it, at the core, the body is a precise system designed to operate on a premium fuel. If a NASCAR driver used inferior fuel to run his car designed to operate at peak performance on premium fuel, he would lose the race, right? The concept is transferable to the human body. That is science.

I would argue that the body cannot heal, build or maintain itself with typical hiker food – nutella, peanut butter, white flour (crackers, snacks, etc), snickers, coffee, ramen, butter, mayo, liptons, candy, chips, etc., although it can function and survive.

The question, then, is how to include nutrient dense, good tasting, light, quick-n-easy food to a long distance hike. The answer to that question was, to me, dehydration. I researched methodology and technique and discovered dehydration was a great way to preserve food without adding harsh chemicals or preservatives, or stripping the food of beneficial nutrients.

For instance, rice, a staple on the trail, right? Instead of using the cook-in-five-minute rice as most do (with chemical flavorings and artificial colorings), pre-trail, I cooked wild grain rice at home then dehydrated it. I eventually made a “rice meal”, as if I was making dinner for myself that night, but instead of eating the “meal”, I dehydrated it. Of course, I made enough rice each time to have eight dehydrated meals. Now, I have a trail meal all ready to eat, just add water.

Most fruits do great dehydrate—my favorite was bananas with cinnamon.

All veggies do well with exceptions.

I would suggest thinking in “meals”. Instead of taking noodles and adding dehydrated tomato sauce, just cook the noodles, add the sauce, add broccoli or whatever, then dehydrate the entire meal at one time, again, making enough for more than one meal.

Nuts and seeds are very nutrient dense—an abundance of healthy fats and plant proteins.

Overall, I hiked on about 80% homemade meals, nearly 300 lbs total. It was a daunting task but worth the reward. I walked the trail without gaining or losing any weight. I was full, nourished, energetic, and most of all, rarely woke up with soreness or cramps. I took not one aspirin, anti-inflammatory, or multi-vitamin the entire hike. I drank at least four to six liters of water everyday—straight water, too—no sugar drinks like kool-aid or crystal light. I really feel like my diet was a cornerstone of my thru-hike success.

I might add another comment, if I may. I do not feel the average person burns the 6000 calories per day as commonly believed. First, sight the study suggesting hikers use that many number of calories? The numbers may reflect a time in hiking when the gear was much heavier, demanding more energy, therefore more calories are burned. Second, in the last several years, due the modernization of hiking gear (lighter is better), food, water treatment, trails, development of hostels, mail drops, etc., hiking has become less demanding than it was 15-20 years ago. I would purport we use less calories than 6000 given an average of 15 miles per day. If that is true, then the need to include the quantity of calories is not as important, and therefore including quality calories becomes paramount and the focus of a trail diet.

It was a good balance for me. Not everyone will see it my way. That is cool. I know, and understand, we are all different, what motivates us is different. For me, I wanted to maximize my chances of completing the trail and a diet rich in dense, usable nutrients was the right bet.

I hope that helps. All the best to you and your hike,

Trail Dawg
NoBo Oh Fo

PS - I vacuum-seeled my meals.

Trail Dawg

#5

I dehydrated at least 50% of my food on each of my long hikes, and I have to say that on the AT, I felt great going up Katahdin… as long as I kept moving.

After any breaks, I had the same hiker hobble as every other hiker I knew. I don’t want to say the AT hiiker hobble happens to everyone, because there are some people that make it through their hikes sans joint/muscle aches, but they’re unusual folks if they’re not hurting at the start of the day.

On the PCT, I followed the same food plan as on my AT hike, and never had any muscle/joint pain at all, though the daily mileage was much higher. Not one day. There’s got to be more to it than the food.

I would suggest that there is simply a lot of wear and tear on your body during a thruhike, and that it is very difficult for a body to repair that damage when we insist on continuing to do the very thing that damaged it in the first place, day after day after day - i.e. hiking.

Secondly, for myself, I found that that physical wear and tear factor is significantly higher on the AT than the PCT.

I’m not sure that we’re all on the same trail page, so to speak. This thread is under PCT, but Papa Smurf mentions the AT, and I’m not sure which trail Trail Dawg hiked in '04. The comparison is interesting, though.

I think that good food can make your hike potentially more enjoyable and perhaps comfortable (ah, a home-cooked meal), but it does not make the hiker. Too many people are able to hike the trails while eating relatively poor quality food to back up the theory that a successful hike requires a whole grain, or organic, or fresh, or anything other specific type of diet.

I think that hiking a long trail is more about mental stamina and a certain degree of luck (avoiding that one misstep that could result in injury) than it is about the source of the protein, carbohydrate or fat used to fuel the hike. It can help, but it’s only a part of the equation.

For myself, I try to choose good nutrition and love to dehydrate my meals, but I think people can do OK without having to worry so much about it. You just need to strike a balance that allows you to get enough calories into the weight you are willing to carry, without eating a majority of what any sensible person would identify as “junk.” Do the best you can, given your own limitations on time/effort/expense, and just go out and walk.

Oh, and if you’re hiking the PCT, don’t knock those mashed potatoes (or potato chips, either, for that matter)!!! Potatoes are very high in potassium, something you’ll lose a lot of as you sweat in the desert heat. :wink:

-Chipper

Chipper

#6

Flame and I plan to hike the John Muir this year and have talked to a lot of our AT friends that have done the PCT and the John Muir. They said the miles are easier on the PCT and JM because of the quality of the trail bed and trail grade. Most of them said the AT beat them up and the PCT was no problem. That is why I said the AT was a good experiment for food selection. We dehydrated and vacuum sealed 75% of our evening meals. We only bought fruit, cheese and bread products in town. Flame made our snacks from some nutrition book. Our meals were balanced. We did all of that and still had the same problems other hikers had that were eating “junk” foods; the high sodium, high chemical just add water meals.

I’m like Chipper, the back to back hard miles adds up on anybodys joints. I’m 60 and I had the same problems the hikers that were 23 and eating seaweed or eating pop tarts were. I can’t see that there was a causal effect by either method. The only thing I noticed that did have an impact, was if they were not eating enough… they ended up having to quit. Low caloric intake, significant loss of weight, loss muscle mass, etc, etc, cased problems. Thus, my assumption, it is quantity not quality that is required to finish a difficult long hike.

Papa Smurf

#7

If you want great food and for your own reasons will not be dehydrating it yourself, try Mary Jane’s Farm. www.maryjanesfarm.org Delicious, organic dehydrated meals from a farm in Moscow, Idaho. Many “just boil water” entree options, it’s truly good enough to eat off trail (try the curry lentil cous cous!). For long hikes, you can order in 3-lb bulk packages then make your own serving sizes.

Shelly Culbertson