Hike your own hike - or not?

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#1

I ran into a Southbounder the other day. Seemed he was getting off the trail. But not for what I’d call a ‘usual’ reason.

He claimed that every mountain he climbed, he’d find people with IPODS and cell phones at the top. Because that infringed on his view of wilderness, he quit his southbound thru-hike.

So, in your opinion, is this just a ‘hike your own hike’ kind of situation, and do you think I should not think he’s a total loser?

Because I DO think that.

And more - he was a totally UNREALISTIC loser. And maybe not a very RESPONSIBLE one.

You disagree with that? Okay, I’m going to drop out of this website.

SAME THING. No?

First off, I personally think cell phones are a nusiance wherever they are - trails, lean-tos, mountiantops, shopping malls, bus stops . . . - but, really, mountaintops may be the only place where you can get reception at all. And only the tall ones, at least in this part of Maine (he quit before Monson).

Exactly how do IPODS infringe on my happiness/thru hike/wilderness experience? It’s not exactly a boom box, y’know. They don’t come with Marshall Stacks attatched. Who knows, maybe they’re listening to Bryson’s book on tape - err, MP3? Or maybe Garvey?

And same with cell phones. Ever see someone - slightly mentally off-plumb, shall we say - carry on a conversation all by themselves - on the streets or in the woods? And why would that be so much worse than it happening on the trail? It’s a one-sided conversation, minding their own business - and they’re not doing it at the lean-to/shelter, they’re talking on the mountaintop.

I mean . . . do you know how much technology goes into a headlamp? Or a Jetboil? Or Gore-tex clothing? Or synthetic lining for a sleeping bag?

And what happens (sorry for the long post) if this guy does find REAL wilderness, and he shuns all technology, and he’s standing around STARK SCREAMING NAKED, enjoying his private wilderness, and suddenly, a jetliner flies overhead?

I’m sorry. But I just didn’t feel any sadness for the kid (he was young). Just pity. His reason for quitting was his own reason, but I find it pathetic.

Kineo Kid

#2

Well, Kineo Kid, I guess it just boils down to what the kids expectations were. He evidently had this certain imagine in his mind of how it would be on the trail. Just couldn’t cope with what it wasn’t. Yes, to me it seems pretty trivial reason to leave the trail, but I won’t condem him. HYOH ? I don’t think he was a LOSER. Whenever I do my thru hike, I will have certain expectations, and there are probably a few things that I will do MY OWN WAY. I don’t figure that will make me a loser. If I decide to leave the trail, I doubt if it will be anything that trivial to get me off, but if it is, it will be my own deal. I think cell phones would be a big plus but only if the user was considerate to those around them. I mean, you don’t have to make a call from the shelter. When I hike, I will have one, but I plan to be considerate about it. I truly hope that he finds his way back to the trail and enjoys all it has to offer. He may have just been having a bad day. A new sunrise changes a lot of things. Moon Man

Moon Man

#3

well, the youngter was HYOH.(Hiking his own hike) cannot argue with that. Just think what a grand dissappointment it must have been that high tech has indeed surrounded us.

J D Cool

#4

I some how agree with all three of you.Like JD Cool said modern high tech has surrounded us all. I have a Girlfriend on the AT now. She doesn’t have any of the above mensioned items with her. She has a calling card with her for calling home. 1500 miles later I am lucky to hear from her once a week at times. I am not on this trip but Hiking through these journals with her and everyone out there. There are things I’d like to warn her about,or just check on her after a storm. A family emergency could arise that she would need to be notified. Her hiking partner has a cell phone they don’t us to save the batteries in case there is an emergency out there. The very few times they have tried to us it there wasn’t any reception. Anyone reading journels knows as much about them as I do. Or almost! If someone wants to talk to their Loved Ones on the trail and someone else doesn’t like it that trail is almost 2200 miles long I’m sure they can keep walking to their own privacy and their own idea of the “TRAIL”.
I have alot of dislikes about Cell Phones and Ipods.Sometimes some people aren’t very courteous and can be very annoying in a resturant when some people think they have to scream to be heard. I don’t believe in working with an Ipod over your ears to hender hearing work related or BOSS related. On the trail can’t be much different if someone tries to give you a warning or keeps you from hearing a wild animal sneaking up on you from behind. Besides no-one makes any kind of music that sounds as good as waterfalls, birds ,frogs ,crickets ,trees blowing against one another, and cyotes all in unison. Civilision isn’t smart enough to put that on an Ipod the way it really sounds.Oh and joggers ,jogging with headphones on never know when they get ran over why or how it happened. I ride a motorcycle without a helmet,“but I do have a very hard head”. I can see and hear better without aggrevating a bad neck that isn’t going to hold up to as much as my hard head anyway. I have accidently proven this . Broke my neck broke my back and my head is still fine, “I think”.
Anyway I think we’re still free enough to do what pleases us ourselves and have a big enough trail space to dodge and avoid what bothers us. Find the sunsets and sunrises some things we have let some things spoil us into believing we can’t do without.How did we ever get by without. It’s hard to believe this nation got built without cell phones and Ipods and the like. I guess just hike like the three Monkeys and observe all thebetter stuff out there. Roudy Roger

Roger Wallace

#5

The U.S. Park Service has stated a goal of equipping all new backcountry shelters in national parks with fiber optic internet access.

Trajectory

#6

Do I detect a troll here? or is kineo Kid felling a little guilty about all his/her electronic hook ups? HYOH is fine, but I think one has to ask the questions, why am I hiking this hike.Is it to display and use the latest electronic gidget,or to experience what the nature has to offer.How can one listen to an IPOD when a bird is singing,an owl is calling at night? I love to listen to the wind through the trees,the sound of thunder when a storm is brewing.Who dosn,t smile when they hear the chatter of a “chippy” scolding the hiker,or a Jay proclaiming his territory?
Who is the loser here? Mr electronic man or someone who wants a little wilderness experience? :pimp

old&in the way

#7

That guy was probably from New York City. Fits to a T. A Texas T.

:pimp

Tex

#8

People just need a reason to drop out ( a justification if you please)
If You want isolation, or peace, I am sorry to say that the AT is NOT the place- DUH! Can we say EAST COAST?
Try hiking China or India -tooo many peeps thats for sure!

Anyway, By calling people names and Stereotyping them is ignorant and I suggest that you should THINK before you spew.

I hate the sound of my LEKIs but dang they are great to have.

Once I shared a shelter in a Ice storm with a great bunch of kids but dang if one guy was so Anti-Bush the more he spoke and ranted the more I wanted to go out and pitch my tent. but I stuck it out until he abated.
And after that I decided to vote “straight ticket” Republican. ( Okay I didn’t)
But when ever I stubbed my toe afterwards I blamed GB

Peace to those who accept it, and damn ya if ya don’t!

rico suave"

#9

some sobo realizes immediately that he can’t hack the AT and wants to quit. naturally, you don’t want to go home and tell your friends and family that you simply couldn’t do it, so you create a good excuse for yourself. his excuse makes it everybody else’s fault.

0101

#10

It’s getting to the point that many people can’t stand to be away from the global electronic brain for more than a day. Look at us today – instant, constant communication with the hive brain by cellphone, internet/email, all hooked up to electrodes in your noggin. An implanted chip is next.

That New Yorker who dropped out probably just couldn’t hack the trail. But at the same time, part of the reason he couldn’t hack it was because he couldn’t stand to be Unplugged in New York.

One Nose

#11

it does sound like an excuse…you don’t have to stick around when folks are using that stuff… he could have walked on. We all had better get BETTER at tolerating our differences…hyoh and keep moving… if you want to. Don’t let that kinda stuff chase you off… sorta dumb.

yappy

#12

This was from Funnybone’s Journal regarding all this…I sort of agree with him.

I often wonder how H.D. Thoreau or John Muir or Clinton Clarke would have felt today (if they were alive) about hikers and their need to bring technology into the wilderness with them. I’m not writing of fancy clothing or Sil-Nylon shelters but of this craving—this apparent need—to carry a digital altimeter watch or a GPS unit; a hand-held computer or a cellular phone; a radio or a musical device or even a musical instrument. How do we define what a wilderness experience is about? Is it different for everyone? Is the PCT a wilderness experience at all? Are we trying to tame the wilderness by bringing as many pieces of civilization out there with us that we can? If we’re that bored being out there in the first place, should we even be out there?

All of this (and much more) goes through my head while hiking.

I also wonder if I’m alone when I feel that I might have been born too late…that I’d have been better off living a couple of centuries ago, when technology wasn’t the driving force to a society’s existence. I hike to leave measured time behind; to depart a world of instant access, where phones, e-mail, cars and airplanes provide instantaneous contact with anyone anywhere. It’s a step “backwards”; a step away from the planned and plotted, overly-organized, domesticated world into the realm of the unknown and unexpected.

But things are changing. More and more of my outdoor excursions have been spoiled by technology: cell phone users barking repeatedly into their phones, “Can you hear me now?” on the tops of mountains or in otherwise silent meadows. I get disappointed when I see someone staring into their GPS unit rather than out at the boundless beauty spread directly in front of, or below them; I’m not sure, but it seems to me that they’re try to quantify what they’ve just accomplished…to put it all in numerical form.

I don’t know what exactly I’m trying to say, but it seems to me that all this technology has changed the way we interact with nature and has even affected the way we think of the wilderness. While a pair of Gore-Tex boots and technologically-advanced clothing enable a hiker to go deeper into the outback, these things don’t alter the essence of the trip’s meaning. A cell phone, on the other hand, transcends the wilderness and puts you right back into civilization within a few quick button pushes. Does it matter?

Call me crazy but it has always bothered me when someone makes a telephone call in my surrounding vicinity outdoors. If I can’t escape it in the wilderness, where can I? I used to think I was just being overly-sensitive and that I was the only one affected but we’ve all heard of hikers making such calls to Search and Rescue teams simply because they were tired! Perhaps saddest of all is that you and I are footing the bill while these poor SAR squads risk their own necks to search for these tired trekkers! Are these people who should venture that far out to begin with?

And what of radios or today’s latest technology, MP3 players? I’ve always thought that the trickling of water was the one of the most soothing sounds our planet has to offer. What about a hawk’s screech echoing off a canyon’s wall or simply the sound of your own footsteps breaking through a thin layer of freshly fallen snow? Nature’s very silence is perhaps the best symphony going. And if nature cannot entertain you, and you cannot entertain yourself out there, do you belong? Am I just being old-fashioned? If it’s mini-discs and MP3 players now; what will it be in the future? “Virtual” wilderness videos? Enclosed, temperature-controlled, music-pumped monorails built to comfortably travel through all scenic trails?

To quote Thoreau: “I went to the woods because I wished to live deliberately, to confront only the essential facts of life…I wanted to live deep and suck out all the marrow of life, to live so sturdily and Spartan-like as to put to rout all that was not life…simplify, simplify, simplify.”

While good ol’ Henry was believed to have suffered some serious “issues” of his own when he spent too much time away from society, his words have always found a home in my heart. Maybe I’m misinterpreting them, but am I alone in finding true meaning inside them? I am the last of an endangered species? Do we really need to bring all our toys out there for a wilderness experience, or is that the experience we’re even after anymore?

loner

#13

Funnybone hit it right on the mark. Exellent.

The worst of it is the MP3 player and Walkman. Why in the hell are you out there if you want to shut out the sounds of nature and have your pop tunes --or much worse, headbanging c-rap drums – pounding into your head instead? Are satellite-based internet phones that far away? Get to the shelter and check your emails, call a business partner, check in the with the kids?

One Nose

#14

To some, music is an inspirational addition to life, both urban and wilderness. It’s not about blotting out anything, it’s about tuning in in a different emotional way. An MP3 can be part of this, as can singing, whistling, or even (sorry Funnybone) a musical instrument!

As long as it doesn’t disturb the peace of those nearby who don’t want to hear it, i would hope those that don’t enjoy music be a little more accepting of those who have their headphones on.

This is all part of a bigger debate. I’ve noticed a prevalent credo in the forum centered around getting away from things. The assumption is that the point of a hike is to escape, whether it’s work, technology, other people, etc. Certainly it’s not a stretch to imagine that the big hike isn’t to everyone all about escape. It can be about adding something that is missing in your life. Nature, focus, exercise, a different type of social situation, self-reliance. All sorts of technology can be part of that goal.

So i think the key is whatever you choose to bring into the backcountry, you just have to be sure the noise from it (or you using it) doesn’t bother people. If it’s not noisy, why the heck should we care who uses what? It’s not hurting anyone. And if hearing a human voice talking on a phone for a minute or two destroys your peaceful wilderness, then maybe there is some inner peace that could be sought after first. :cheers

markv

#15

“As long as it doesn’t disturb the peace of those nearby who don’t want to hear it, i would hope those that don’t enjoy music be a little more accepting of those who have their headphones on.”

Have you ever NOT overheard someone’s music coming from an MP3/Walkman? If you’re within shouting distance of someone and they have their “tunes” going, you’re going to hear it … whether you want to or not. Those little ear pieces do not confine the sound to the wearer’s ears.

Especially if this person is at a scenic spot or in a shelter, it can really ruin the experience for others.

One Nose

#16

AT=wilderness? HA!
AT to me is just a Urban foot trail. I am sure if H.D. Thoreau or John Muir or Clinton Clarke were around today they too would have some form of technology swinging from their pack as well. Because technology has a beauty in its own right. Just face it. Romancing the wilderness is only good if you are naive and pressed.
I remember the ambitious project down in Sacramento back in the 70’s A bike trail leading from the Sacramento Delta to the feet of the Sierras and they did it! Right up along the Sacramento/ American river. They tamed and urbanized the wilderness in only a few short years. Trust me. It will happen on The AT- Heck imagine the trail through Virginia with the Parkway right up along side. Now imagine the Parkway rollin all the way up into Maine!
Embrace the change and then “get over it”

THE WORLD IS OVERLY-POPULATED AND IT WILL GET WORSE.
Ps. if you want to make money in 2020 you had better learn Chinese.

jack bailey

#17

feel better, “jack?”

nice try.

NeighborJ

#18

“Have you ever NOT overheard someone’s music coming from an MP3/Walkman?”

Usually i can hear it, but sometimes i can’t.

I’ll join the chorus against people ruining shelters and scenic spots with loud headphones and cellphones. I just don’t want to join the chorus against technology on the trail altogether.

Speaking of, is Baxter State Park the only place that disallows cellphones and stereos? Any other place like that?

markv

#19

When I was on the trail this year, I took my cell for emergencies. Eventually I was trying to call once every day or so to talk to my transcriber and family. MOST of the folks on the AT with me seemed to do the same. The cells only came out in town, or on the first high mountain of the day, and often there was no signal anyway. Many times, when there was no signal for a long section, someone at a shelter or road crossing would say: “Believe it or not I have a signal, you want to call your family?” I thought cell’s would be an irritation on the trial. They were not.

Duffy

#20

i never once ran into somebody on the top of a mountain on the AT using a cell phone. and how long are you going to have to overhear an iPod’s music? two seconds as you pass by?

people quote Muir when they disagree with the newest technology, yet they’re hiking out in higher-tech stuff than Muir ever had, like internal-frame packs and syl-nylon and Gore-Tex and even pre-packaged food.

0101