Lions on the Trail

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#1

We have been backpacking for several years now and in the last 4-5 years I have witnessed an increase in the numbers of large mammalian wildlife. In the Hoosier National Forest I have recently come across Cougar prints of two distinct animals. Last November while camping out above a cave our camp became surrounded by coyotes, perhaps 12 individuals. They were curious of our presense and left two behind to keep an eye on us as the others went off to hunt.
And as I stated in an earlier topic while on the Appalachian Trail we could see the evident over population of wild boar although a non-indigenous species. The bear population in the Great Smokey Mtns.
has more than doubled in recent years. Now the National Park Rangers will un-officially admit that there are mountain lions withen the parks borders.
Has anyone while hiking that region seen or heard any puma?

Neandertal

#2

Wildlife has made a huge comeback in this country since people no longer have to hunt to eat. In fact, hunters have became so scare that it is difficult to drive around towns and cities and not see a lot of road deer kills due to the lack of hunting there.

So bears, deer, coyote, cougar, fox, bobcat, etc all have made huge population gains in recent years.

Also the downward price of fur has contributed to this gain of the furbearers. Also poison as a means of controlling coyotes was outlawed many years ago, and since that time, they have now spread accross all states.

I think this is all great and makes the outdoors a more wild and wonderful place.

However if the economy really goes south, then the numbers of wildlife out there will decrease accordingly. It is like the rabbit and fox cycle. Lots of rabbits, the fox and their young flourish. Few rabbits and the young of the fox don’t fare so well and many don’t make it. But a few of the older ones survive to plant seeds for newer generations, which hopefully will have more rabbits to hunts.

We as humans in the present time have an abundance of food, don’t need to hunt and scavage to survive. Hopefully we will always be so fortunate. Our fortune is also a boon to the wildlife, which don’t have to wind up in our frying pan.

See you out there. :cheers :cheers

Maintain

#3

Johny ‘Rocket’ saw an adult mountain lion just past Cheoah Bald (Wesser), NC. He estimated that it was about 150 lbs. It walked onto the AT in front of him within 4 feet, stopped and stared at Johny. After what seemed like an eternity the mountain lion casually walked off the trail! This happened just before dark last May ('04) during johny’s thru-hike. I don’t have any contact info for Johny, but i believe he is from Kentucky. He didn’t take the name ‘Rocket’ even though some of us called him that because of the way he hiked…

happy trails!

freebird

#4

I doubt that lions are in Indiana considering bears cannot get a foothold. I’ve hiked the Knobstone Trail and found no signs. If you think there are cougars in IN and you have a positive ID you might consider contacting someone to let them know about a sighting. My step-father works for US Fish and Wildlife. They would be great to contact.

In 2003, I thru-hiked the AT and a friend said he found a lion skull on the trail south of Shenandoa NP. I’ve seen a lion where I’m living now near Keystone, Colorado. We have quite a few out here- especially in the San Juans to the south. Unlike the east, we have plenty of room for lions to roam and big prey animals like elk, mule deer, and antelope.

Indiana Ben

#5

Oddly there’s been several confirmed sightings of mountain lions in the midwest; prob. due to an increase in the number of deer. Mostly this seems to send folks into hysteria. (“Batten down the hatches, bring out the big guns…we’re being invaded”) The actual number is probably very very low; one estimate is that my entire state had a whopping THREE; it just causes a big reaction.)

leah

#6

Every few years here in Indiana their is a flurry of rumors about someone having seen a couger in the state. Last November a group of friends and I where going to be hiking on the Tecumseh Trail and I called Fish and Wildlife because their had been a lot of talk again. They told me they had not found any evidence of cougers here in the state. If you have seen evidence then please call Fish and Wildlife. Coyotes however are very common here.

Black Toe Bob

#7

I have to agree with Leah on the reaction here. I think we midwesterners are just bored and need something to get excited about. And of course shoot at.

Black Toe Bob

#8

thats what they are called in the smokies and surrounding maountians…haven’t been verified for many many years, but have been “seen” and tracks spotted. most are explained away as large bobcats or as “pet” cougars that have been let loose… I myself believe there are remanants deep in those black coves…more likely in pisgah or nantahala national forrest because there is less human foot traffic there thatn in the smokies. mtn lions are mostly nocturnal unless very hungry or sick, so it makes sense they are rarely seen. its even possible that a big cat or two has migrated in…back in the 70’s, an elk was supposedly killed in east tennesse near chattanooga, and was supposed to have walked down from up north somewhere…

anyways, i have seen lion tracks myself, in 1987, while walking a red clay logging road, in the western tip or north carolina. they were as big a saucers, and following deer tracks and looked as if it was chasing the deer…in public, the game wardens will tell you there are no lions left in north carolina, but i know of one who admitted in private that he had seen one, knew where it roamed, and believed it to be truly wild. and where there is one, there is more

Big Dee

#9

I have to agree the woods are getting more dangerous every day. Up here in Maine the bears and large predators are getting so aggressive that hunters are afraid to go into the woods and logger are refusing to go into the woods to cut wood. This is starting to devastate the woods industry.

I’m starting to hear more and more stories about mountain lions and bears attaching people here in Maine all the time. It’s getting so people are afraid to go out doors. Probably the reason more people are building attached garages.

The only reason people are still hiking the trails up here is because we’re all just dumb beasts of burden and don’t know any better.

When I work for the Forestry Department back in the 70’s I was pretty good friends with the local warden that lived up by the Allagash. He said that there were mountain lions in Maine back then but the Fish & Game Dept. did not want it be known to the public. Now 30 years later people have gotten video footage of them but the Fish & Game still down plays it saying it was something else and the shadow’s made it look like a mountain lion.

When they find remains of hikers that are nothing but fur balls in the woods coughed up by some puma their just saying it must have been a couple of bob cats and the guy died before they ate him. (Likely story)

I personally know of a guy that was chased literally chased out of the woods by a pack of coyote- wolf hybrids. It was late in the afternoon and the sun was going down. He was back in the woods and it took longer to get out than he thought it would. Anyway he kept hearing something behind he picked up his pace but whatever was behind him picked up it pace also. He got really scared and fired several shots in its direction. He it stopped but when he started back up it started up too. Then he could hear them on both sides of him. He fired all but one round off, which he said he was saving for himself. Anyway he finally made it too a main road and flagged down a car before he needed to use it. Luckily the driver gave him a ride even he smelled like Urine.

My advise to any one hiking in Maine is to pack two canisters of hair spray, I mean bear spray. It comes in three strengths. Get the strongest one have a special holster made to hold them and practice quick drawing them before you start out.

Always hike with someone, never ever hike alone. Take a pee bottle to bed so you won’t have to get up at night. I saw somewhere that you can get a motion sensitive lights that runs on batteries I would carry one of those too. And don’t forget you bible, if all else fail prayer may help.

Just remember what I told you when your out there, alone, just as it gets dark, when those night sounds start up, stay close to the light, be very quite and hope they don’t find you.

Crusoe of Lonesome Lake

#10

Mountain lions and black bears are a fact of life in the west. It’d be nice if they expanded their range. If you want to enter their relm, ya’just gotta be prepared to deal with it.

booger

#11

If I meet any of you on the trail remind me to tell you about the time I saw Bigfoot! Really I did.

old&in the way

#12

I’ve already admitted that I’m not a biologist, but I need to clear up some things I read here. Hunters: People hunt in greater numbers and with greater success today than they ever have. Predators and large mammals have made a tremendous comeback for many reasons, administrative, environmental, etc. Because a few hunters are great arguments for euthanasia the hunting community has gotten a bad rap over the years. If you folks are really friends of the environment I ask you to consider this question: In the US, who has saved more wildlife habitat, “environmentalists” or hunters? If you think environmentalists it’s time to actually look at the statistics and shelve the myopic emotional encumbrences. I did not sense any malice in Maintain’s post, but there does appear to be a sense of the old stereotype. I don’t like the sound of gunfire anywhere, espedcially in the bush, but with more than 30 years of outdoor appreciation I must give credit where it is in fact due. Game management is a fact of modern life if you want to actually see the game. This last election was won by fostering ignorant, emotional division. The outdoor community needs to come together. You’d be surprised how many hunters want Bush to stop messing with the Clean Air & Water Acts. Put it into a syllogism: It is in their interest every bit as much as ours to protect the wild. I’m not asking all of us hikers to go hug a hunter, simply that we try to better understand each other. Oh, “coyote-wolf hybrids.” It’s my understanding that this can’t and has not happened. If it has I certainly would appreciate direction to some documentation.

John Betts

#13

Forgot to mention almost all fur is and has been “ranch” produced for some time.

John Betts

#14

I don’t know how much environmentalist history you know, but check this out:

   Making an distinction between "environmentalists" or "hikers" and "hunters" is a waste of time. Indeed, hunters are hikers, and many hikers are hunters. In my view they are the same in a sense. But clearly there are some hikers who don't care at all about the environment, and some hunters who love letting the big ones go. Point is, everyone is different -like this guy: Aldo Leopold.

He was a hunter. He also is a key figure in establishing the 1964 Wilderness Act, which set aside the areas we today know as federal Wilderness Areas. Something happened to him on a hunt one day that changed American and the entire World Environmental policy. So I guess you could call him a hunter, an environmentalist, and of course a hiker.

My question is: Does anyone know the story?

Tha Wookie