Nomad Lite tents

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#1

Can anyone help me with a condensation problem in my Nomad Lite? I slept in it for the first time several nights ago. It went down to 35 degrees that night. I awakened in the middle of the night with my pillow and down bag covered in condensation. By morning it was dripping on my head. The tent flies were both fully extended but I had not used the 2 extra tabs on each fly for staking. My AT thru-hike starts on March 15th, '03 so I’d like to figure this out soon. Condensation and a down bag equals uncomfortable nights. I’m new to this so any information I can get will be greatly appreciated.

Journey

#2

Yeah, you might be needing a little more ventilation. Usually when conditions are right almost any tent will get you damp, or if it’s below freezing you get the cool ice spindrift. If you’re concerned about wind getting in stake the down wind end up and leave a small gap up wind so the tent acts like a venturi and draw the humid air out. Most tents don’t have top vent, like our Northface Canyonlands-little pocket vents in the ends to get an updraft going. Don’t worry to much. Try a few more nights in the yard and see which method works best. But WATCH the dew unless you have a bag w/ a DWR shell. You’ll need to dry the thing carefully in town if it gets really wet. And laundro-mat’s driers are super hot. Be careful. You should only need to crank the flys down in a heavy storm and then you’ll get stuffy anyway. Should be easy to make it work. Try a search for “tent reviews” and see what some testers found. Backpacker Mag Gear Guide might have a clue if that tent was prone to damps.

Bushwhack

#3

The body gives off a lot of moisture through perspiration and breath. So a tarp gives you the ventilation, along with a draft. A bivy sack gives cuts down the ventilation and gives you moisture, even tiny puddles. You’re somewhere in between, and your results may vary at different temperatures. I never did quite figure out how to eliminate the moisture - shelters became attractive as a way to avoid the daily housekeeping of drying things out. One risk of the down bag is that it loses insulation value when wet, whereas synthetic holds insulation value when wet.

You should to experiment, to learn your own preferences. I have found down (and wool) to have a toasty and cozy feel. Meanwhile, synthetic feels cool, but effective to me. Maybe others could comment on this digression.

Linguini

#4

We tented a lot and most often, since we never knew what the weather was, draped the fly over the top of the tent and set the stakes by my boots. If it started to sprinkle I’d jump up and stake it out. We only had a few nights of the soggies…whick is far better than the slugs and buggies in Conn, Journey Dude,-et. As a note, we up graded to down bags last year but got ones with a cool DWR shell from Mountain Hardware, the Universe series. It can RAIN on them and they stay dry which is nice in leaky shelters and the snow that blows in. No more scrambling for your ground sheet to cover your feet in the middle of the night. You’ll find the learning curve is vertical when it comes to how to operate in country and you’ll have a ton of new friends to help out.

Bushwhack w/Bramble

#5

Thanks to all of you that replied! I e-mailed Greenbean but she had never had a condensation problem while on the trail. I think my problem was the moisture in the air that first night, it was very damp. I’m going to sleep out tonight and because it’s humid, instead of keeping all the flaps open all the way, I’ll close all but the area right over my head and see what happens. By the time March rolls around I hope to have most of the kinks ironed out with the help of all the generous souls on Trail Journals. Bushwack–my bag has the DWR, thankfully! And I liked your last sentence about having a ton of new friends to help out. I’m looking forward to it! Journey

Journey

#6

It’s all good. Just remember to take your time and learn your new life. What works for one person may not work for another. It’s kind of a weird situation for the uninitiated, meaning people not used to hiking, backpacking in general. You may have been outsy-doorsy for ever and still the first few weeks on the trail you get all stupid over the smallest things. Like setting up the tent. Clutz. Sort of like going to a new school. It’s not like a one up thing with you having better gear than the other guy but a wanting to help out so you all can make it to Special K. and have a blast doing it. We offered maybe a little to much help now and then but most often when we’d show someone a new way to save fuel they were very happy, etc. When I told our best bud I-40 to put a hat on when he was shivering he thought I was a doctor, a lot of wispering the next few days about whether to ask Doctor Bushwhack anything…I’m not a doc, just experienced. And if it helps someone have a more enjoyable trip I’ll offer my three cents. Its a big slumber party of gear stories, fun, sweat tears, oh don’t forget the hiker funk. Just be your self…and post a journal. If the hair stands up on the back of your neck when you think about a thru hike, you’re ready. :>)

Bushwhack

#7

Well, the third time was a charm! I left the back fly staked out right over my head and had the front fly staked low this time and had no trouble at all. It wasn’t as humid as the first night and 5* warmer but everything went nicely. This was the first night I didn’t get cold. I do need a warmer rated bag for the start of my trip. I don’t know if I’ll go with a 15* or 20* bag. Thanks again for all your help! Journey

Journey

#8

We used twenties. They sucked, we died. Second hiker life used. From another point; at the start, in winter, you’ll spend twelve hours a day in your bag. Twelve walking through slush and twelve trying to remember why you’re doing this as your feet defrost. You best be warm. Nice fluffy 0* down or a down liner for the one you do have. That’s a cheap up grade and you could use it for your summer bag after Harpers.

Bushwhack

#9

Opposite each of the fly pull outs, I sewed in a small loop to the main body of the tent. Then I attached that loop with a small tie to the fly loop. When the fly is pulled out it also then pulls out the side of the tent. This helps keep the sides of the tent away from touching something, either you or your bag. Condensation should only be a bother when the wet tent walls touch someting. Leaving the netting door open might help, too, if bugs and warmth are not a problem. As for getting down wet, you would really have to soak it to have it be a problem.

pancho

#10

I am wondering how the Sierra Designs Clip Flashlite fairs in winter weather. I have had it out alot just not in very cold weather. Also I have a -10 Marmot Gore down bag (virtually waterproof), is this going to be too much for a Jan 1 start?

Bono

#11

We hiked in '01 with several chums that had them. If it was new, it was “okay”. If it was used, it was a bathtub. A really wet bathtub, often wetter in than outside. If you have a nice down bag like that you’ll make a lot of friends. At Uncle Johnnys we took turns borrowing Monte’s Mountain Hardware Universe just to hang on the couch with it was so tasty. Keep your eye on it. You gonna be almost hot in that but oh so happy in the Smokys. Its a fricken tomb in the shelter during a blizzard…oh, they all face west. Stick your head out the window of your car at sixty this winter for a sec and see what I mean.

Bushwhack

#12

The Clip work great for us. We started in Jan. but had a little moisture two times until we learned how to allow more ventilation. Our 0* bag kept very warm with only our under cloths on.

Comer & Jean

#13

No matter what item of gear you are talking about, you can find somebody who doesn’t like it or some instance where it didn’t work. A good example is the MSR Whisperlite. My brother says they are terrible stoves. Well, 97% of those who use them would seriously beg to differ. They are great stoves, and he got a lemon.

I’ve used the SD CD Flashlights a LOT. They are great tents if you use them wisely, and an extremely good value for folks on a budget, and have lots of room for the weight.

My Flashlights have only really failed me once, and that was in a screaming wind and pouring rain. They are not a screaming wind/pouring rain tent because the fly doesn’t come down low enough. Nowhere on the AT however, should you have to camp in conditions that windy. (Don’t camp on Max Patch in a hurricane.)

By the way, the time my tent failed me, I had a down bag, and it got wet enough so the down was clumping. In a few hours it was dry and fluffy and I was sleeping like a baby. If you ever get wet enough on the AT that your down bag won’t save you, you have some poor camping skills. (Of course, all of us had poor camping skills at one time.)

Here’s a link to a breathtaking story where I was actually camping IN the Mississippi River in my Flashlight tent! http://www.bucktrack.com/Mississippi_Canoe_Trip_3.html

Colter

#14

Colter, interesting! curious as to what your (or anyone out there) sealing method was (especially at the floor. SD recommends Seam Grip which I havnt applied yet (too busy shakin down in it!) I additionally bought a Marmot Aiguille -5 bag with Dryloft to compare performance with the Marmot Gore -10 bag(Anyone in the market for a steal on a sweet marmot bag )

Finally so What it the Best AT Tent? I listening (credit card in hand!)

Bono

#15

Good question. I used a Sil-Shelter on the AT and slept dry every night. I used a Bug-Bivy with it, which worked fine, but wasn’t as roomy as I’d like.

What I’m looking at right now for the next long hike is
#1 Henry Shire’s (Virga)Tarpent with sewn-in floor
#2 Sewing netting and a floor into my Sil-Shelter
#3 A Stephenson’s Warmlite
#4 A Nomad Lite

Here’s two cool sites comparing tents:
http://bikerdave.crosswinds.net/shelterII.html
http://www.backpacking.net/geartent-chart.html

Colter

#16

Heck with the condensation problem, can anyone help me FIND a Nomad Lite? I’ve been calling the number on the website for weeks, but it just rings and rings. No answering maching picks up. I’ve emailed and snail mailed. Perhaps there’s some off-season for manufacturing I didn’t know about? Does anyone have an idea about this?

Susan

#17

Heck with the condensation problem, can anyone help me FIND a Nomad Lite? I’ve been calling the number on the website for weeks, but it just rings and rings. No answering machine picks up. I’ve emailed and snail mailed. Perhaps there’s some off-season for manufacturing I didn’t know about? Does anyone have an idea about this?

Susan

#18

I think I heard Kurt went hiking, since it was the slow season for him. Don’t know where though. Maybe the AT?

Ginny

#19

If in a pinch you could go e-bay. eh, a thought.

Bushwhack