On a shoestring

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#21

You have my sincere apology. I found it hard to believe that someone would be against poor hikers eating perfectly good food that has expired sell by dates, just because of appearances. Just because town folk might look down upon us is hardly justification to stop hiking. Let me tell you the ones you are talking about already look down upon us, and the ones who help us completely understand. Your opinion that it’s just lazyness that causes lack of money, is as insulting as what I said to you. Most towns people think we are well heeled, yuppies out on a lark. If we appear more like real humans, they will appreciate it.

Blue Jay

#22

Right on B. Jack. We had some problems in '02 with towns. And it was because of the group before us and their behavior. We are guest in these towns. Some of the hikers acted like the towns owed them a favor. Just because they were thru-hikers. If you act civilized (staying out of dumpsters) it will be better for all future thru-hikers. They will open up there parks, churches and other areas for us. The Panarchy Fraternity in Hanover, VT (Dartmouth) was closed because of un-civilized hikers. A frat house calling a hiker un-civilized??? It had to be bad. Yes it is your hike, but you have to remember we are part of a larger fraternity. Save your money and enjoy your hike. Good luck and Happy Trails.

Papa Smurf

#23

Yes many places have been closed to drunk and abusive hikers. The church hostel in Manchester VT. near where I live was closed because ungrateful hikers leaving the place filty. I used to drive up there just to clean the place. Once three young “gentleman” walked right in front of me with Muddy Boots to the showers. Left the towels and shower muddy and walked back out despite my protests. That is not what I am talking about. Dumpster Diving has nothing to do with that. We will always “look” bad to some towns people, we smell bad, we obviously don’t work and have too much money. To others, we are just plain homeless people who need their help. A person dumpster diving is not going to get drunk and trash the place. Hell if you’re going to worry about appearances advocate staying away from bars and liquor stores, stop wearing Mountain Hardware and Northface, and stop hitchhiking (against the law in every AT state). Like Jack, I also work hard for my hiking money, but for many towns people $2000 is a decadent extravagence, to say nothing about not working for months. They actually might like us better if we gave up the arrogance and a few of us took a more humble position. Have you really heard of a place being closed due to dumpster diving? No, you have not.

Blue Jay

#24

No, Blue Jay, I haven’t heard of a place being closed due to dumpster diving. Bet you sure in hell better believe I’ve heard of places no longer letting hikers tent on their property, in picnic pavillions, behind restaurants or businesses; I know of many businesses, especially restaurants and motels, that no longer want thru-hikers as customers; I know of a hiker-friendly motel owner who has been frustrated in her attempts to expand her business because there are too many folks in her small town vocally opposed to encouraging more hikers in their community; I’ve met plenty of folks who’ve told me they never pick up hitch-hikers or that they’ve ceased to due so; I know of several places where they’ve tried to open hostels/churches to hikers but have been prevented from doing so by folks who hold extremely negative feelings about hikers. And like you, I know of many places that no longer offer services to hikers that had beed freely offerred for years.

All too often, Blue Jay, it’s the person hiking with 29 cents who creates the problem: A hiker who has worked, saved money, and properly budgeted for his trip is not likely to get caught by a cop or restaurant employeee while scavenging in a dumpster, nor is he likely to be found illegally camping behind a church or in a town park, or bathing in a restaurant bathroom— nor is he going to turn people off be panhandling, begging, or eating garbage.

In short, Jay, you’re right—to some folks, all hikers look the same, and there will always be some folks who don’t approve of us. But going into a small town and behaving like a homeless bum is simply not going to improve town/hiker relations. On the contrary, this sort of behavior, when witnessed by folks in little hiker towns is merely going to re-inforce these negative views. You mention that maybe these folks would like us better if a few folks “took a more humble position.” How? By being seen eating outta trash cans or asking folks for empty returnable bottles? How on earth does this make hikers look better?

This is a ridiculous argument. As I said previously, if someone wants to hike for six months, then they should work their tail off, save their money, cut down on personal extravagances, cut corners, and set themselves a goal and a budget to make their trip a reality.

What they should not do is behave in a way that makes all the hikers look like freeloaders and tramps—there’s nothing “humble” about acting like a bum. When people witness this sort of behavior in a big city, they perhaps feel pity or compassion; at the least, they feel sorry for the guy in question. When a home-owner or business owner in a small Trail town witnesses behavior like this, they’re more likely to feel disgust, and this negativity is passed on to every hiker that follows. Hiking on a minimal budget is no excuse to engage in behavior that will impact everyone else—if someone is too lazy to have worked enough or saved enough, that’s THEIR problem, and it’s up to them to do something about it, like either postpone their trips, or maybe stop somewhere and get a job for a few weeks. But acting like a bum and ruining things for other hikers is not the way to spend six months on the A.T.

B. Jack

#25

Since the Dead is dead and Phish is dead these bums have hit the trail. Plus all the Rainbow whackos.

Lone Wolf

#26

As the saying goes, you never get another chance to make a first impression.

As Jack says, many many places have closed, or no longer welcome hikers because of the inappropriate behavior of a few. ALDHA is concerned about this. It’s a good place to get involved and be part of your obligation to give back to the Trail.

Peaks

#27

OK, it is obvious I am alone on this one. You walk into town, you smell, when you get up to my neck of the woods your clothes and back pack are clearly hobo junction. You often walk with a limp. Unless you have a large THRUHIKER SIGN on your back, no one and I mean no one is going to know you are a hiker, bums carry backpacks too. You are in fact a bum, many of us do not have jobs. Women are often with several bad looking individuals. If it looks like a duck, smells like a duck and walks like a duck, YOU ARE MOST LIKELY A DUCK. Do you really think bums think they are bums? Yes, you all think you are something else, but look in the mirror. Peaks, I’m sure you shower before going into town for your first impression, and even if you did you still smell. Towns people actually think you are worse than bums. Most if not all, thruhikers walk through town with their noses in the air, as well we should, we are having the times of our lives. That is what they hate us. There are a lot of us, you just don’t see us because you don’t want to (this is not even my computer).

Blue Jay

#28

Blue Jay once again you’re full of shit.

Lone Wolf

#29

One of the biggest threats against the trail is not what happens on it, but what happens in the towns along it. With out the support of of the trail towns, the thought of thru-hiking would all but exist. I myself am guilty of poor town conduct and drukeness in 2 towns, but now realize the ramifications of this behavior. If you really need to get drunk its better to pack the booze into the woods and camp away from a shelter, and drink by yourself or with your hiking buddys. You’ll save money this way by not drinking in town and by taking it to the woods you also won’t annoy town people or other hikers if you camp away from the shelters. Just remember to pack your mess out.

Easy

#30

I dont know which trail 'Jay is hiking but we were well catered to and even got invited, post five day Conn grunge, into the Fithe and Drum Inn restuarant in Kent and were offered any seat in the house…“You look clean enough to me”. Got a ride to the trail in a leather appointed Mercedes. Erwin was enjoyed with a nice driven by Miss Daisy in her Caddy. Enjoyed a ride/tour of West Point AND dinner at Moose’s house, he picked US up at the PO, just thought we needed the hug. We met more friendly folks everyhwere in town than anywhere else in our lives. Never did we get a thumbs down. Raindog Hotstuff Esquire even got propositioned by a guy in a black Caddy in Georgia. Only sloppy 'ol Raindog can do that.

Bushwhack

#31

Never dumpster dived, but I can see where you’re comin’ from. The first thruhikers didn’t wear gore-tex, sleep in motels or anything of the sort. Someone at a post office once said to me, “we don’t even consider half of these people thruhikers. They’re just out here walking from town to town thru the woods.”

Now that the AT has become popular, it’s turned into just one more thing that the middle class has taken it upon themselves to dabble in, like another anglo-saxton that calls himself a bhuddist.

Matthew

#32

One thing I learned on the AT was humility. My hike, along the trail was made possible from the help and care of so many. A kind word here, some trail magic there, kept me moving north. I think it’s pretty obvious that thru-hikers should therefore NOT walk around towns with their noses in the air. The folks a hiker may encounter on the AT are friends and family even if they don’t have packs on their backs. They can/will help you on your journey if treated with kindness and respect. One should not burn his/her bridges so to speak. Also, this is just a thought/observation from my own hike, but the potential tensions between a town and hiker seem to subside when the hiker keeps hiking. I never spent too much time in a town because I’d rather be out in the woods. I think Easy is on to something, hikers seem to belong in the woods. If someone does not see it this way, he or she may want to reconsider if the AT is where he/she should be. Spending time in the woods is going to be cheaper than time spent in any town. If one is lingering in a town to survive, I think B. Jack is right that seeking employment is a perfectly fine option that also makes the most sense.

Sweeper

#33

…is probably what I learned the most of from my hike as well, along with a hefty dose of generosity and resourcefulness.

One can hike the AT until they’re blue in the face, but if they still haven’t learned how to get along with their fellows, in my opinion, they are wasting their time.

I love the AT as much as the next guy, but when it ceases to teach anything or be of any redeeming value to people in general, I swear, they’ll turn it into developed real-estate.

Matthew

#34

We always made sure to leave a good impression so as to let the next hiker coming in have a better time. In some cases we got to “straighten out” what was left behind from others that were not so pleasent. In Adkins at the motel '01, we got told that maybe they had no rooms since last year several hikers trashed rooms. They may not let hikers stay any more. We flashed the smile of two adult thirty somethings, the Visa Gold and promissed no such BS would happen on our watch. We all left the rooms clean and left tips for the maids and the leftover beer. They loved us in return and felt better about the next group. Its easy to act like you’re at your grandmother’s house.

Bushwhack and Bramble

#35

i agree,how about we not act like 2-year-olds. this argument is mute.

walnut kid

#36

Got several emails on this one. I have to post one of them as the writer is afraid of the flames I get. Two guys walk into a store, different times. Both are dressed like thruhikers or bums. One has money, is obviously not working, buys some cheap food and leaves. Store owner thinks, “must be a hiker, how the hell can they afford to not work for months, while I can hardly pay the taxes on this place”. Second guy walks in and asks “Is it OK if I clean up the mess around your dumpster for a chance to look inside, or clean your grease trap for expired or out of date food”. Even if the owner does not want you to do it, when you walk out he has much more empathy for the second guy. Most of you may have thought dumpster diving was the same as pool diving only dirty, you just jump right in. The Email was from a store owner who also complained that I didn’t go through his town in ‘02’. Lone Wolf, I do not like the Grateful Dead or Phish, I like celtic music. Attitude is why towns people sometimes hate us, not our looks.

Blue Jay

#37

Attitude and ACTIONS are the reason for closed doors and closed minds. Respect for other hikers, townspeople and everyone associated with the AT is the only keep the support network alive and well. No one out there has identical backgrounds, financial support, or belief system. That’s part of what makes the trail as rich as it is. I may have been a migrant, only in each town for a short while because of the trail, but I never considered myself, or my fellow hikers, bums. Courtesy and respect is what I hope for from people. The only way to get that is to demonstrate the same.

This conversation is past the point of constructive dialogue. The debate should be HOW to change the negative perception people have of AT hikers because of a few, who through their actions, have done incredible damage to all.

Lizard GAME '02

#38

my support is for the trail & trail community, not for the some of the comments made in this exchage. i disagree with many of the assertions made above.

Lizard

#39

Right on, Lizard.

When we’re in trail towns, we should all try to be “trail ambassadors.” Wipe your table down before leaving a fast food place, make sure the restrooms are cleaner than when you entered, ASK before plopping your pack down at the front of the store while you go shopping. And–whether they really deserve it or not–make sure you smile and say “please” and “thank you” to anyone you interact with. Did someone give you a lift when you were hitchhiking? Give him a token of thanks (an AT sticker only costs 25 cents). Instead of complaining about lack of services/bad weather/whatever, try telling town people about the best day you’ve had on the trail, or the greatest view you’ve seen. When you meet a dayhiker on the trail, don’t turn your nose up or snicker. SHARE YOUR EXPERIENCE. That dayhiker may turn into a trail angel.

Back on the (original) topic: Hep, one way to save some $$$ is to avoid all (or at least most) hotels and hostels. Offer to muck stalls or weed a garden for an hour in exchange for staying in a barn (or a church, or a garage) overnight. When you do use a hotel, go with a group to split the cost. Have someone back home manage your money so that you don’t spend it all in the first two months. Before you go, gather all your belongings that aren’t useful or sentimental, and put them up for auction on eBay. (Bet you won’t miss 'em when you get back!)

–TR

Teddy Roosevelt

#40

Teddy–even through my migraine haze, you have some wonderful ideas, things I hadn’t thought about, but now am going to make special provisions for!
Why not grab the address of people that really help you out, then when you’re done with the AT, send them a postcard picture of you at the top of K! What a wonderful way to share some of your excitement on the trail!
When I went to Europe, I had my mom make some homemade gifts, just a little pot holder or something(my mom loves to quilt) or, something special from my hometown(they make soap and it’s the gateway to Shenandoah National Park) so I’d get them a calendar or something. Why not have some of those little cheap gifts stockpiled at home, so when someone lets you stay in a barn, you make sure to let them know how much it meant to you!
What a great idea! Now there’s something ELSE to keep my mom busy :slight_smile:
—HHC

HHC