Questions - Continental Divide Trail

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#1

I may be attempting to hike the CDT starting June 18th, 2006 going southbound. I have a lot of questions. I would appreciate any responses, here are a few questions for now:

What degree down sleeping bag should I get? I was thinking 10 degree with a silk liner.

How much should it cost to hike the length of the trail? I was thinking about $2500 if you stay on a budget. What do you think?

Do I have to carry an ice axe? If so, when can I depart from it?

What are good places to have mail drops for food. I really want to resupply in towns as much as possible, but I’m sure there are places where sending food would make my life much easier!

OK, this should be enough questions for now. I have awhile to plan. The main thing now is to save up my money!

Thanks,
Pickle
AT '04

Pickle

#2

I am not an authority by no means, but I did stay at a holiday Inn last year- I wil throw my 2 cents in-
I have talked to a couple that complete the CDT and in no way shape or form is it anything like the “AT” or the "PCT"
I suggest you research it quite extensivly before you invest in any gear.
Like any long distantance hike you need to be -
a)FLEXABLE
B)EDUCATED
C)PREPARED
I have considered the CDT myself,. IF, I was to start the CDT I would (personally) like to start with at least 5 competent people ( or more because people tend to fade out go home, get hurt ,whathave you…)I personally dont care for group hiking but this is not a boyscout outing…If I did not get hurt I assume that I would outlast most people, or not…
I figured my cost for this hike in the range of $ 5500.
{I do like to travel well). Plus Gear.
I would have multiple gear changes because your altitude ( and climate) will vary considerably .
I am NOT a Professional hiker nor even a Experienced hiker,
I doubt that anyone in their “right” mind would consider even letting me tag along, But if someone reads this I will have money, and gear by spring of 2007. And maybe a set of Titanium balls- (important gear items)
peas out, love, and all that jazz…

1/4 of the way

#3

We’ll be out there too, next year. Probably heading north, at least to start.
A good starting place for CDT information -
www.spiriteaglehome.com - then CDT
It has both hard stuff (resources, town info, etc.) and head stuff (what it’s like to hike the CDT). Plus it has my journal from our 1999 southbound hike.

To specifically answer your questions - yes you will probably need an ice axe in Glacier at least, and maybe the Bob Marshall. It all depends on the snow levels. We sent our ice axes home in mid-July (but it was a high snow year.) You may not be able to get a permit in Glacier in mid-June if the snow levels are really high. Usually they’re okay as long as you have an ice axe and some snow experience.

Yes, you can resupply out of the gas stations and minimarts along the way, for the most part. A few small towns and backcountry resorts really do need a maildrop. But you can prepare those in the larger towns and ship them to the places than need a maildrop. (Read the details on the town information to get a better idea of which is which.)

I used a 10 degree bag the whole way. I was hot in July and August (we had about 3 weeks of summer). My husband used a 20 until Silverthorn Colorado - about a week too late - when he switched to a 5 deg. bag. We had a few nights in Colorado in October that were really cold. Our last spring snow falling on us was July 4, our first autumn snow falling was September 3. But we had a freezing night in the Winds in early August and someone in a journal this year mentioned getting snowed on last week - in mid August.

Money - it is hard to slip in and out of town in a hurry. They are often way off trail and it can take a few hours to get a ride. So usually when you get to town, you stay a while. Prices are higher than on the AT because tourist season is shorter. i.e. in Glacier they have 100 days to make enough money to live on all year. You can camp in most towns and there are hostels in several (E. Glacier, Grand Lake, Silverthorn, Cuba, Silver City) so you can save on motels if you want, but I found that I really needed the break sometimes - plus we had some unexpected issues that required us to stay in town longer than expected, and sometimes when we didn’t expect to - broken gear, snow, health issues, maildrops that weren’t mailed, etc. So - bottom line, save as much as you can because it is likely to cost more than you expect. On the CDT, expect the unexpected - stuff happens. There are a few trail angels, but you can’t count on that. We reached one of the towns that was famous for its hospitality and no one was home. One couple sometimes takes in hikers, if their lives aren’t too complicated at the moment. You can’t depend on that. And no hiker boxes. So some of the AT shortcuts don’t work out there.

Anyhow, our resources list is a good place to start. And have fun. Learning about the CDT takes time, but it can be a lot of fun. And the more you know, the easier it is because there are fewer surprises. Well, at least that’s one theory.

Ginny

#4

Ginny,
I read some of your suggestions on backcountry.net. Thanks for your suggestions. I am actually glad the CDT will be different. I don’t want to say the AT wasn’t difficult, but I didn’t have many surprises with the awesome guidebooks out there. I like the idea of the CDT because it sounds like you spend some time outside your comfort zone and alone. I never felt like I was in the wilderness on the AT.

I know there will be some challenges along the way, but all I can do is go out there and do it and learn how to adjust. Money is always a problem. My plan is to not eat out as much in towns. I spent just as much money on food in restaurants as I did for my food on the trail when I hiked the AT. I do agree that a good motel is good for the soul somedays. If I run out of money, I always can lean towards credit cards. :smiley: $4000 is about the max I can save from now until then, and $1500 will have to go to gear, car insurance, and health insurance.

Another question, are dogs aloud on the CDT? My friend who I am planning on going with was asking. She has a husky, so he should do well in the cold, but I would be scared for him with grizzlies. She’ll have to make that choice. We are still not sure if it is realistic for us to do this or not, but I think it would be a lot of fun!

Thanks,
Pickle

Pickle

#5

We loved the CDT. It is so beautiful, and so challenging. The PCT was a disappointment for us in that way. We hiked it after the CDT and found that we were used to long mileage days, which is one of the biggest challenges out there. Once we were through the Sierras (which were definitely a challenge since we were early) there really wasn’t any challenge for us. We knew we could do it. Even the heat was only a minor challenge. On the CDT there is more uncertainty, even for us on a second hike. Weather, navigation, etc. are always a challenge out there, no matter how much you’ve hiked.

As to dogs - I don’t know anyone who has thruhiked the CDT with a dog. There are only three National Parks that might have rules against them - but that isn’t really the issue. The problem is with big miles, scarce water and wildlife. Walking 2400-3200 miles is a lot for a dog, who has no choice in the matter. One of the best parts of the CDT is the chance to see wildlife. We saw so much - herds of elk, moose, antelope, etc. If you have a dog, you will see much less. The grizzly aspect is certainly an issue too. What if your dog goes after a bear, and brings it back to camp? Then there are the cows - you pass through a lot of cow herds. Scaring the cows is too easy as it is. If your dog will start chasing them, then the ranchers will really hate hikers. When they run, they lose weight and the rancher loses money. It’s a pretty marginal livelihood as it is. And your dog may get injured by a scared cow. Finally, the CDT is not used to thruhikers in the same way that the AT is. Getting rides to town can be difficult. A dog may help or it may hurt. Getting a motel room may be more difficult. Hostels probably won’t allow dogs, though I don’t know for sure about that. You’d have to call ahead of time. I know that section hikers sometimes hike with dogs - they don’t have the big mileage issue that a thruhiker has - but frankly I would recommend leaving the dog at home. It will simplify your hike enormously.

If you have the credit card for emergencies (medical or unexpected transportation especially) then $4000 should be enough. Town food is a necessity, but you can eat hamburgers, not steak, even in Montana. Because of the cold in the higher mountains, we found we burned a lot more calories than on the PCT. About midway, Jim had lost 55 pounds and we were waking up in the middle of the night, hungry. We carried a lot of food, for us, but it still wasn’t enough. Towns were where we filled up. I remember one where we went through a gallon and a half of ice cream in two days. So don’t shortchange yourself there.
Ginny

Ginny

#6

Ginny, yes, just want you know I am reading and thanks for posting. I’m now about 90% starting a NOBO next year, snow permitting. I have been quite intimidated by the planning… honestly I’ve done very little so far.

I am getting more and more ready for that first step…

Tha Wookie

#7

I’m not a through hiker, but I do know some of the CDT in Colorado and Wyoming. I am “Thorofare Trail & Beyond.” My hike didn’t work out this year, but a couple of points/opinions for you. A great dog can go anywhere it can walk, a good dog not necessarily. Family has Guest Ranch here in Greater Yellowstone, and Grizzly Populations are up. Human, Grizzly confrontation is way up. NB: Grizzlies have moved into the the Upper Green River and Union Pass areas in a big way. Wolves have been quite prolific up and down the Divide. All these animals usually try to avoid us, but even a good dog can bring one right down on us. Use your best judgement, to take a dog on the CDT it should basicaly heel the whole way aside from meadow romps and such where they’re in sight, as I believe it should be on any trail. It is gratuitious to let your dog roam through serious wildlife habitat. Let them have fun at times, but keep them in their earshot. Greater Yellowstone is the greatest habitat for Ungulates in the Temperate Zone, even a good dog will chase an elk calf, if it does it with a moose it could get stomped to death by the cow. Mountain Lions, not so big in Wyoming but certainly in Colorado, never mix well with dogs. But if the dog is right there with you, you should do well. Wolves? All I can tell you is that they are now on much of the northern Wyoming CDT, and they go a 145 pounds. Again, keep the dog close and you should be fine. Dog can’t go through Yellowstone (Glacier too I imagine), and kennels up here cost an arm and a leg in the short tourist season Ginny wisely pointed out. Read in a journal today that someone got stiffed on a ride right up the road here near Dubois, WY. My apologies. I met an older hiker named Eb Eberhart a few weeks ago when he stopped in Dubois and I bought him a beer. He did not have any bear problems. I however had a grizz run away from me as fast as it could when it saw me from 100 yards or so descending from a Divide high point just above Bonneville Pass in the Shoshone NF one week ago today. Grizz are now back around the Ranch compound, but in the earliest morning only. Again, they’ll try to avoid us unless we camp like a filthy frat boy. Some places bears are problematic though, inquire as you go. Bears are getting relocated left and right, a few sadly euthanized. The Absarokas are horse pack trip country. Please give them the right of way ALWAYS. Just safe and smart. Well, I hope you all have happy trails out there and weather as we’ve had this summer. 2003 was a boiler, 2004 cool and damp, 2005 JUST RIGHT, although we’ve had frost here at 8,000’ 5 of last 9 nights. Great for sleeping after hiking in the low 70s most of the day. Happy hiking, John

John Betts