Speaking about liners

imported
#1

speaking about liners;
I used a army “body bag” one year on a long section hike and it was Water proof, wind proof, and it had really neat handles (6) But it was pretty durn heavy.
Does anyone have a good choice on liners or should I get a bivy sack( which to me is the same thing -almost) I am looking for weather proof, and warmth I am going to try not carrying a tent. OR- should I look at Those Cool hammocks?? decisions… decisions…
Lets review, possible winter hiking,… without tent,…waterproof,…LIGHT WEIGHT…

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#2

I have used both a Bivy and Hammock at various times. The Hammock is great in summer and has lots of advantages discussed endlessly in the forum. The big draw back is that its cold at times (possible winter hiking). I like my bivy but you can’t pull your gear in during bad weather and you can’t easily change your clothes in it although I have done it. A bivy is much warmer then a hammock and a bit claustrophobic.

Big B

#3

One of the warmer liners is a silk liner. They are also relatively light. I have used the Design Salt silk liner in past years. It was somewhat expensive ($60-$75) but worked pretty well.

Another option for a (more severe) liner is a mylar blanket or any other material that does not “breathe.” If you get in that material and then in your bag, you have created the equivalent of a “vapor barrier” bag. You will perspire and you will sleep damp from your own moisture. But you will stay warm. Just make sure none of your moisture gets your sleeping bag damp.

It seems to me that my silk liner probably added around 5 degrees of warmth - but that may have just been what it felt like.

jaws

#4

I too use the Design Salt Travel Sheet as a liner. They also make “bag-shaped” liners, too. When it’s warmer you can use it alone on top of your bag, or to sleep in a place which doesn’t seem so clean. In addition to feeling so wonderful against your skin, it’s worth it’s miniscule weight just to keep your bag clean. Washing the liner is nothing compared to a down bag.

I’ve heard good things about another silk liner which, I think, is called a “Jag Bag”? Sombody on this site probably has one and might respond.

:tongue

Lady Di

#5

there’s a lisk liner at REI - not sure where else- (Cocoon) I think. Weighs about 4.7 oz if memory serves. So far, it’s the lightest silk liner I’ve found.
:girl

jackalope

#6

umm…yeah…that’s silk - wouldn’t want a lisk liner;)

jackalope

#7

A Gor-tex liner someone told me about? or is that a bivy sack? -excuse me while I go to REI.com

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#8

got it, a Bivy sack is basically a outer shell for a sleeping bag to keep you dry- a liner is a thin "sleeping bag to put in your sleeping bag to get you a little more warmer and to keep your bag cleaner. So, with that said…
I should get a silk liner( which I already have) a bivy sack (expensive- but light weight) and maybe a tyvek sheet with some grommets ( 8’ by 8’) so I can cook under or hang over my bivy. I now can lose the 5lb. tent, Right? …PS, How much does the "Hammock " weigh? (remember I am a whopping 235lb boy toy)

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#9

Hammocks weigh about 2.5 pounds, some less. Ditch the bivy and roll with the tarp by itself, or get a hammock. You’ll stay dry with just a taro, unless it’s snowy. In that case find a shelter to crash in.

Nokia

#10

Hammocks weigh about 2.5 pounds, some less. Ditch the bivy and roll with the tarp by itself, or get a hammock. You’ll stay dry with just a taro, unless it’s snowy. In that case find a shelter to crash in.

Nokia

#11

I used a Virga tarptent by Henry Shires. It weighed a little more than 20 ounces and provided absolute protection. The only time I used a liner was during the summer months, in lieu of a sleeping bag.

Nimblefoot

#12

I picked up one of the Sea to Summit Reactor Thermolite liner a few weeks back. Very nice product, I used it with a zero degree synthetic bag and a bivy on a 20 degree snowy weekend. I was so toasty I ended up sweating too much and had to vent in the middle of the night. It was way too much.

It is 8oz and adds up about 10-15 degrees, and I would agree with that.

KevBoy