Tarps V Tents. - Appalachian Trail

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#1

Hello and good day to all.

I would like to start a dialog with those that have used both Tents and Tarps. I have a MSR Zoid I’m still planning on using this coming year, But, I did a test run with the tarp tent (Henry Shires) that I spent some time making for myself (Just to see if I could) and it kept me dry in a moderate rain. In 03 we definitely had our share of rain on the trail and I saw a few people using tarps, But, I never really had a chance to talk with anybody about how they felt and if they would have made that choice again. I’m not concerned about bugs, atleast not in the early months, and by the time they become a problem the extra pound an a half of the Zoid won’t even be noticed if I decided to switch. I am a little concered about how a tarp protects from that early season bitting cold wind! The one I’ve made is open on three sides, although only barely on one of those. Looking back on my log I noticed about 75% of the time I was in a shelter, so this is going to be more of a backup. A pro’s and Cons discussion would be great.

Thank You all.

I know this is a discussion we have had before, but with quite a few people starting their planning for 05 I thought we might do it again.

BearKat

#2

I used a tarp for the first time this year with ok results. I also use the Zoid I tent. I altered the tarp a little bit so that I could pitch it with three sides closed. This worked well. I used it once in the rain and in a snowstorm on Standing Indian Mtn with no problems. It collapsed on me one night in strong winds but I think my inexperience with a tarp was the problem, not the tarp. Bug season may be a problem but I may add some tying points on the center seam so that one of those mesh inserts that are made by Golite will work with it.

Chief

#3

I’ve used tents for years. I was really never intetested in a tarp until the tarptent came along. I purchased the Squall and have been very happy with it. My tent(s) have been collecting dust for the last two years now. When I section hiked Fontana - Davenport Gap and used the tarptent as a backup shelter. 2 nights were in the tarpent, the others were in a shelter. If you’re hiking long distance you’re really spending so much time at shelters it’s a shame to bring along a heavy tent. I’ve never had the Squall in a massive storm, but I did use it in the snow and a moderate rainstorm. It proved very storm worthy and was every bit as protective as any tent I’ve used. The main worry when beginning to use the tarptent was condensation, yet it was never an issue. Actually, Ive have more condensation issues with my Mountain Hardwear Lightwedge 3-season tent (that’s still collecting dust :lol). As far as the issue of it keeping you warm… well, it doesn’t do that at all. The tarptent needs to breathe as much as possible to keep condensation at bay. Personally, I wouldn’t look for a tent to keep you warm, that’s the job of your sleeping bag. While you’re in shelters there’s a breeze all over the place. If you’re concerned about that “what if” situation. I would get an emergency mylar bag. They weigh a few ounces and pack down super-small and can save your butt if you encounter a freak storm. Also, if used mine on several balds on the AT (Snowbird/Max Patch)while I was certain the tarptent would be ripped to shreds on MP, in the morning I noticed no damage whatsoever. I’ve been very impressed with this product and would recommend to anyone looking for a shelter. I’m not sure if your tarptent is like the current ones Henry is selling. But, I would highly recommend getting one of his.

guru

#4

First, let me state my opinion, the HS tarptent, while an awesome shelter, is NOT a tarp, it IS a tent. Tarping is quite a different experience. I have been tarping for over 30 years, and IMHO it is the best way to go unless you are in major bugland. I do most of my packing in the Colorado rockies, and bugs are really not much of a problem. Sometimes the mossies are a bit thick, but nothing that pants, shirt and a headnet can’t remedy. That said, I use a custom made tarp(9x9) that is setup in the “flying diamond” configuration and has an added vestibule. Absolutely stormproof! Ron Bell of “Mountain Laurel Designs” made it for me. It sets up quickly and has lots of room AND headroom(5.5’out front) It’s a veritable Palace, and weighs 22oz. it is a bit more complicated to setup than the HS Tarptent, but offers WAY more room. If you want a shelter that offers a “room with a view” and is fun to hang out in when the weather gets nasty, go for a modified tarp, you’ll love it!

Hank

#5

The distinction between tarps and tents is becoming steadily less clear. Many people use the word “tent” these days to refer only to “double-wall” designs, which are currently popular among mainstream tent manufacturers. And tarps are routinely paired with some arrangement of mosquito netting and groundcloth, making them more tentlike.

Still, broadly speaking, I guess there are a few main differences:

  1. Coping with condensation. Double-wall designs (in principle) let vapor out through the inner wall, collect on the rain fly, and flow to the ground. Tarps (in principle) avoid condensation by allowing relatively free air flow. If you’re just trying to save pack weight, the tarp approach obviously wins hands down.

On the other hand, if you ring your tarp with no-see-um netting for bug protection, then ventilation drops dramatically and condensation can become a nuisance, particularly in two-person designs that have twice as much vapor production, but not twice the ventilation. I’ve spent a lot of time wiping condenation off a Henry Shires Tarptent with my pack towel.

And, obviously, a tarp’s good ventilation may expose you to colder air. Tents are definintely warmer. On the other hand, there are a lot more weight-efficient ways to stay warm on a cold night than switching from a tent to a tarp-- such as carrying a sleeping bag liner.

I’d say tarps win decisively on the condensation front, if you’re not using any no-see-um netting and are traveling alone.

  1. Coping with water flowing on the ground. Tents usually have a “bathtub” design and may stay dry even while standing in an actual puddle of water. Tarps are completely vulnerable to water flowing across the ground, even in tiny quantities. The solution is to pitch on water-absorbent ground or on a slight rise. Most importantly, tarps work badly on heavily impacted sites, since these tend to be hard-packed and slightly bowl-shaped.

In this regard, you’ve got to consider the areas where you’ll be using the tarp. If you’re planning on hiking in open, western forest with a carpet of pine needles, then a tarp wins handily. If you’re planning on hiking on the AT before the ground vegetation really takes off, a tarp is still probably a win. However, a tarp becomes increasingly problematic on the east coast in summer when there’s three feet of dense shubbery everywhere. You can walk for miles and miles without finding a really bombproof tarpsite.

As an example of the issue, my wife and I backpacked through the Bob Marshall Wilderness followed by Glacier National Park with a tarp this summer. In the wilderness, we could select elevated meadow sites and had no water-flow concerns. However, camping in Glacier (just across the street) is generally restricted to established sites. Many of these were hard-packed and bowl-shaped, and our primary defense against flowing water was hoping that it would not rain-- not good! This little change transformed our tarp from a “win” proposition to a “lose” in this regard.

  1. Complexity of construction. Tents are generally designed so that a developmentally-disabled cow could assemble them in about ten minutes with no additional materials. Tarps are almost always a bit of an engineering challenge involving trekking poles, ropes, roots, rocks, logs, tree branches, sharpened sticks, knot-tying, and careful consideration of potential water flow problems. Generally, I like this modest mental puzzle at the end of a long day of walking, but you should be aware that solving the puzzle can sometimes take a while.

Tents are definitely easier to put up, particularly free-standing tents.

There are other differences: tarps are easier to put up in rain, free-standing tents work better in some small areas, tarps can be pitched above some low vegetation, etc.

On balance, for long-distance hiking in places not overwhelmed by vegetation and rain, I prefer a tarp because of the immense weight savings and versatility. (And in a place overwhelmed with vegetation and rain, I’d probably try a hammock.) In a buggy area, I’d use some sort of “nest” or “bug bivy”-- essentially a ground cloth with bug netting sewn over the top.

I think tents are, generally speaking, overengineering monstrosities.

/Eric

Eric