Wolves - Appalachian Trail

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#1

I know this topic isn’t directly linked to the AT, but I was wondering what people’s opinions on wolves and farmers were. Should farmers and US DNR officials be able to kill wolves to protect livestock?

Trailblazer

#2

I have often heard in the rare occassion that wolves do kill livestock, it is the sick or weak that they kill, thereby increasing the overall health of the livestock.
The killing a wolves may just be another manifestation of our culture’s general fear of anything wild. This goes way back in Christian thought. Man is above nature, therefore shehe can dominate/repress it(killing wolves or killing/eating cows and/or harvesting cow breast milk for human consumption).

Dan

#3

After visiting an elk refuge and large national parks in the west, I agree large predators are needed there.
Also bordering these areas are large cattle ranch operations or farms. When wolves effect in loss to these farms they should be controlled. This is the way these people provide for their family.
Those in conflict with this “control” should look at it from the farmers view. They have a right to protect their investment the same as you.
If you had a chicken pen with a hen house and a snake crawls in to eat the eggs would you just let him or would you kill him? How about a weasle? Call the law a weasle just killed 6 of my chickens.
If your 5 year old child was playing in the yard on his swing set and a mountain lion ate him would you just say “oh well, that’s just his nature”.
How about a bear that steals your hiking food and attacks you in the process. Don’t the park rangers have a right to “cull” this animal to protect other hikers? The bear is now “conditioned” for the easy meal. Perhaps you shouldn’t be allowed in bear contry because you might be a careless idiot with food and cause the problem.
I say common sense in needed with wolves too.
They are a predator of opportunity, they will eat what they can catch.
Wolves are not “bad”. They follow their instinct. They will certainly take an easy meal over a difficult one. Cows, sheep,or goats are not equiped to stave off predators.
I suspect one could make the agument that anyone driving a car is bad. The bugs you clean off the windshield makes you a killer of wildlife.

pete56

#4

of a quotation that I read once, and I shall recreate it here, modified for current subject matter…

"Everyday, in the Rocky Mountains, a Wolf awakens. He knows that he must be faster than the slowest Elk, or else he will starve.

Everyday, in the Rocky Mountains, an Elk awakens. He knows that he must be faster than the fastest Wolf, or else he will be killed and eaten.

The moral? No matter who you are or where you live, when the sun comes up, you better be running!"8)

Big Dee

#5

Big Dee, loved it. You are absolutely correct.

Regarding wolves and farmers, I hope this world has room for both. We will suffer great loss if either disappears.

See you out there. :cheers

Maintain

#6

Actually, the moose just has to be faster than the slowest moose - let that dude get eaten.

bullet

#7

thats a different story bullet.

"two hikers are on the continental divide and suddenly they walk up on a female grizzly with two cubs. she immediately starts bluff charging them and walking closer while growling and swating her massive man killing paw. One hiker takes off running and looks back and see’s his buddy taking off his boots and pulling trail shoes out of his pack. the first hikers says "are you crazy, you can’t outrun a grizzly?!!? " the other hiker says"I know it, i’m just worried about outrunning YOU!!!)

Big Dee

#8

Dan, Dan, Dan

Genesis 1:28 1:28 God blessed56 them and said57 to them, “Be fruitful and multiply! Fill the earth and subdue it!58 Rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air and every creature that moves on the ground.”59

56tn As in v. 22 the verb “bless” here means “to endow with the capacity to reproduce and be fruitful,” as the following context indicates. As in v. 22, the statement directly precedes the command “be fruitful and multiply.” The verb carries this same nuance in Gen 17:16 (where God’s blessing of Sarai imparts to her the capacity to bear a child); Gen 48:16 (where God’s blessing of Joseph’s sons is closely associated with their having numerous descendants); and Deut 7:13 (where God’s blessing is associated with fertility in general, including numerous descendants). See also Gen 49:25 (where Jacob uses the noun derivative in referring to “blessings of the breast and womb,” an obvious reference to fertility) and Gen 27:27 (where the verb is used of a field to which God has given the capacity to produce vegetation).
57tn Heb “and God said.” For stylistic reasons “God” has not been repeated here in the translation.
58tn Elsewhere the Hebrew verb translated “subdue” means “to enslave” (2 Chr 28:10; Neh 5:5; Jer 34:11, 16), “to conquer,” (Num 32:22, 29; Josh 18:1; 2 Sam 8:11; 1 Chr 22:18; Zech 9:13; and probably Mic 7:19), and “to assault sexually” (Esth 7:8). None of these nuances adequately meets the demands of this context, for humankind is not viewed as having an adversarial relationship with the world. The general meaning of the verb appears to be “to bring under one’s control for one’s advantage.” In Gen 1:28 one might paraphrase it as follows: “harness its potential and use its resources for your benefit.” In an ancient Israelite context this would suggest cultivating its fields, mining its mineral riches, using its trees for construction, and domesticating its animals.
59sn The several imperatives addressed to both males and females together (plural imperative forms) actually form two commands: reproduce and rule. God’s word is not merely a form of blessing, but is now addressed to them personally; this is a distinct emphasis with the creation of human beings. But with the blessing comes the ability to be fruitful and to rule. In procreation they will share in the divine work of creating human life and passing on the divine image (see 5:1-3); in ruling they will serve as God’s vice-regents on earth. They together, the human race collectively, have the responsibility of seeing to the welfare of that which is put under them and the privilege of using it for their benefit.

Mark Twain was right better to keep your mouth shut and have people think you’re a fool then to open your mouth and remove all doubt.

Tu

Tu

#9

Tu - You believe that somehow God spoke directly to these folks and bam - out came the Bible and we all gotta agree and obey or we’re going to hell. I believe many years ago a bunch of guys got together on a few occasions over ample beer and wine and started writing, got lucky and found a publisher.

You undoubtedly disagree and feel that I’m one of those guys on the express train south, but you know what - in this and any question about religeon, no one knows who - if anyone - is correct.

Tolerance for others and understanding right from wrong will do it as well as the world’s best understanding of any of the self-serving stuff put out by organized religeon.

Booger